Not Just a Cohencidence (Mueller/Investigation Thread v.20)

[Jack V Savage]

Sure, the House can vote on articles of impeachment. I would vote "no", given that paying hush money cannot be considered a "high crime or misdemeanor".

You would vote "no" based on the totality of what is known about Trump's conduct? I'd say that you'd vote "no" based on the letter next to his name.

When did Stzrok pay hush money to a mistress? I wrote that I do not find the paying of hush money to a mistress to be morally reprehensible. That has nothing to do with Stzrok.

Right, he didn't even do that. But he had an affair. Or was there some other basis for your insisting that he was highly immoral? I guess the fact that he isn't a Trump loyalist?

I'm sure you would like to know the answer to that question. If you think my confidence is misplaced, take the bet.

Clarify the wording in a satisfactory way. And why wouldn't you just answer the question like a man?

It's not trolling. I offered you a long list of the specific anti-Russia policies demonstrating that Trump has been tougher on Russia than any president since Ronald Reagan. You had no intelligent response.

The intelligent response is not to dignify such obvious bad faith arguing by getting into the weeds on it.

This is a big difference between you and me. I don't have "champions". I like some of Trump's actions and dislike others.

Trump is championing your views on immigration, and thus you are willing to sacrifice your honor and reputation to defend his corruption.

I'm really starting to think someone hijacked your account. The House can vote on articles of impeachment. I have no idea how you concluded that I think impeachment is impossible.

I understand that you grant that it is possible. Your framework precludes it ever being legitimate if you apply it consistently (which surely you would not do).

 

[Limbo Pete]

Just a coincidence everyone around trump have entered guilty pleas or been convicted of crimes. Just an unfortunate coincidence for a guy who has defrauded people with a fake university and refuses to show his tax returns, and lied about paying off porn stars.

All just an unfortunate coincidence surely

*Cohencidence

 

[MikeMcMann]

It's evidence of guilt, but it's not the same thing as a guilty verdict.

You know I don't think much of your IQ, but I think you can get this. I. Believe. In. You.

Its worse than a guilty verdict in terms of assessing guilt.

If you get a guilty verdict you can appeal and you can maintain the jurors were wrong and it was an injustice.

In a guilty plea you have admitted the crime and have no appeals you can make.

You seem to think there is some magic or extra legitimacy to a guilty verdict where there is not. Admitting guilt is a higher threshold of certainty as opposed to being found guilty when you were denying it.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

You think the alleged campaign finance violation is "related" to Cohen's failture to pay taxes on his taxi cab business?

Try again.

Cohen didn't only plead guilty to tax evasion. He entered a guilty plea on making a campaign contribution at request of a candidate.

Two different crimes.
Different guilty pleas.

He admits to doing it. Why are you pretending he didn't do it?

 

[waiguoren]

Lmao
So the really real thing Cohen is guilty of was something worse or whatever?
Get it together man

I guess you haven't been keeping up. Cohen was under investigation for bank fraud.

Michael Cohen's taxi businesses that were used as collateral for a bank loan are reportedly on the FBI's radar

https://www.businessinsider.com/michael-cohen-taxi-businesses-fbi-raid-investigation-2018-4

Michael Cohen's Troubled Taxi Business


Michael Cohen’s taxi business partner just agreed to cooperate with investigators

https://www.vox.com/2018/5/22/17382138/michael-cohen-evgeny-freidman-taxi-king

 

[Fawlty]

I hope we don't neglect the Hannity collateral damage here. It's easy to forget to do that, but we really need to remember to stick it to him.

 

[Limbo Pete]

I guess you haven't been keeping up. Cohen was under investigation for bank fraud.

Michael Cohen's taxi businesses that were used as collateral for a bank loan are reportedly on the FBI's radar

https://www.businessinsider.com/michael-cohen-taxi-businesses-fbi-raid-investigation-2018-4

Michael Cohen's Troubled Taxi Business


Michael Cohen’s taxi business partner just agreed to cooperate with investigators

https://www.vox.com/2018/5/22/17382138/michael-cohen-evgeny-freidman-taxi-king

Preposterous!

 

[GSP_37]

That would be former Republican strategist Rick Wilson who just became a New York Times Best Seller with his newly released book Evertything Trump Touches Dies

I like that guy. He's no Chump cocksucker. They should put him vs. Parris Denard.

 

[Rational Poster]

I guess you haven't been keeping up. Cohen was under investigation for bank fraud.

Michael Cohen's taxi businesses that were used as collateral for a bank loan are reportedly on the FBI's radar

https://www.businessinsider.com/michael-cohen-taxi-businesses-fbi-raid-investigation-2018-4

Michael Cohen's Troubled Taxi Business


Michael Cohen’s taxi business partner just agreed to cooperate with investigators

https://www.vox.com/2018/5/22/17382138/michael-cohen-evgeny-freidman-taxi-king

 

[Fawlty]

@WRLawyers (real or fake)

The way I understand it, a judge has to be convinced that a guilty plea is consistent with the breaking of the relevant law, and has to accept the plea. Or am I tripping balls?

 

[hillelslovak87]

Hi, let me know when Trump is removed from office from cohens “flip”.


Oh wait, he won’t be.

Only a rote moron confuses has not with will not. You're quibbling over straws while the camel is buckling.

 

[hillelslovak87]

I like that guy. He's no Chump cocksucker. They should put him vs. Parris Denard.

They have squared off, and it was the traditional MAGimp "lalalalala I can't hear you!!" shit by Dennard. These whores Trump sends out, it's quite insulting, because at least when previous administrations did it, their whores were of much higher quality, and could bullshit coherently.

 

[xcvbn]

Is this a confession?



*please note I did not investigate Kyle's porn preferences

Oh, Donny, you poor soul.

I never thought Trump would get impeached, but it sounds like he thinks he will.

 

[PolishHeadlock]

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/22/new...art-of-trump-foundation-probe-ap-reports.html

Investigators in New York have subpoenaed President Donald Trump's former personal lawyer Michael Cohen as part of a probe of the Trump Foundation.


"A subpoena has been issued to Michael Cohen for relevant information in light of the public disclosures made yesterday," James Gazzale, a spokesperson for the New York State Department of Taxation and Finance, told CNBC on Wednesday.

 

[Limbo Pete]

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/22/new...art-of-trump-foundation-probe-ap-reports.html

Investigators in New York have subpoenaed President Donald Trump's former personal lawyer Michael Cohen as part of a probe of the Trump Foundation.


"A subpoena has been issued to Michael Cohen for relevant information in light of the public disclosures made yesterday," James Gazzale, a spokesperson for the New York State Department of Taxation and Finance, told CNBC on Wednesday.

But what about Dred Scott?

 

[Strychnine]

But what about Dred Scott?

 

[zebby23]

Oh, Donny, you poor soul.

I never thought Trump would get impeached, but it sounds like he thinks he will.

Wait wait wait... The payments that Trump didn't know about came from him?

 

[xcvbn]

Wait wait wait... The payments that Trump didn't know about came from him?

I showed my wife that clip and all she said was "Jesus Christ he is fat" with a disgusted look on her face. She was not impressed.

 

[BKMMAFAN]

@WRLawyers (real or fake)

The way I understand it, a judge has to be convinced that a guilty plea is consistent with the breaking of the relevant law, and has to accept the plea. Or am I tripping balls?

If a person enters a plea of guilty (or no contest), a judge will apprise the defendant of the rights he is giving up (right to confront witnesses, jury trial, subpoena witnesses, etc) and then explain that by entering this plea the defendant is admitting to the elements of the crime he is pleaing to. The judge will then enter a finding of guilty for said crimes (hence, being 'found' guilty). He will then usually continue whatever bond is already in place until the sentencing hearing.

In the vast majority of criminal cases, there is no "verdict" since the vast majority of cases are not tried by a jury. There is no legal difference between being found guilty by a jury or a judge in the sense that both are "found" guilty.

 

[FIMN]

Only a rote moron confuses has not with will not. You're quibbling over straws while the camel is buckling.

Not'nt

Will not'nt.

Don't feel bad even stable geniuses struggle with this.