Nog vs Sergei 18 years ago

[Deleted member 110072]

Sapp went 10-8 in K-1 and 12-19 overall in kickboxing with most of his wins being freak show fights like him vs. Kimo or Seth Petrozelli. Anytime he fought one of the actual top K-1 heavyweights like Aerts, Sefo, Crocop, Remy, he was absolutely embarrassed and became a joke because of how easily he went down. The two fights against Hoost were awful losses since he didn’t quite have the power to KO the 350+ pound walking steroid haha but once he fought Mirko next and got his face literally broken he ended up being KO’d and TKO’d by every other relevant kickboxer he fought. Dude lost by knockout 12 times in kickboxing.

If your not just a wiki expert though you'd see that really the hype around Sapp was in his early run, he walked though a ton of punishment to finish Hoost twice(some cheating involved but still impressive) and tested Nog more than anyone has previously, only Nogs extreme durability allowed him to survie.

Crocop broke Sapp's orbital in their fight when he still looked like a monster and after that the decline was very rapid, Sapp knew he could get hurt and he was also making a ton of money on adverts and TV shows. You had a period for 2-3 years after that when Sapp was still semi legit just much less tough than before then the fight against Aerts with the phantom knee, after that point Sapp was essentially just taking dives the moment anyone landed anything good on him.

 

[MartinGibson86]

Sapp started loosing fights 5 years after his appearence on MMA and K-1 scene when his body detiroated from steroids and when he lost his will to fight. He did not train any more, nor did he aproached the fights seriously. His final record has nothing to do about how was he percieved in the early 2000s. Untill 2005 - 2006 Sapp had very good record.

The fact that he beat no.1 K-1 fighter Hoost and almost beat no. 1 MMA fighter who just barely survived, tells just how much of an equalizer can huge strengt and size be.
"A bum" would have never been able to do so much damage to the best standup fighter on planet, and the best MMA fighter on planet.

Randy Couture for example would have lost that fight to Sapp in 2002, on that Japanese summer night. He as top MMA fighter had no tools to survive, and he would have not been able do what Minotauro did.

Bob Sapp was legit, dangerous, feared and respected in early 2000s, and that is what would 9/10 people tell you about him in 2002 or 2003. That is the written history, everybody who actually watched K-1 and Pride at that time knows that.

Full retard lol.


He landed a pile driver on a guy with shitty wrestling and did nothing else his entire mma career.and you got him beating Couture.

Sapp has zero quality mma wins. Period. Make up all the fantasies you want.
Goddamn.

 

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Lol

Lol second thread i've noticed from you shitting all over the new age. You sound like an old grumpy man reminiscing about the old days. Alot of old farts in here agrees with you in total fear of the new era, but that's where it ends.

Even if you are right, it's only one division. You got 10 other division that clearly proves the evolution of the sport.

Man there's alot of bitching about the HW division lately.

I think it's a matter of Sherdog being filled with alot of very old people. My uncle used to always bitch about the now and only talked about the past.

 

[pankrat]

Randy Couture for example would have lost that fight to Sapp in 2002, on that Japanese summer night. He as top MMA fighter had no tools to survive, and he would have not been able do what Minotauro did.

Disagree, Couture had way more skills to put Sapp on his back and beat him there or just wait until he gassed soon

 

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Big Nog
Fedor
Crocop
Sergei
Alex
Josh
Werdum
Herring
Fujita
Hunto/Schilts or Coleman/Randleman

MMA evolution 18 years later, UFC is the best eva! New Breeds!

Ngannou
Stipe
Gane
DERRICK LEWIS
Blaydes
Volkov
Rozenstruik
Daukaus
Shamill
Tybura

Again, this is only one division. Try to do this with FLW, BW, FW, LW, WW, MW

 

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The French kickboxer Gane would be taken down by Nog just like all the other guys Nog took down who were better grapplers than Gane.

You have no clue about grappling and the different dimensions of it. Like no idea at all. Sorry.

Nog had hands but always plodding. Gane is light on his feet which enhances his TDD. Let me explain something to you: TDD is not only sprawling and physical contact. It's also about distance control. About Gane not being there for Nog to grab him. Not only is this an ability most grapplers doesn't have, alot of grapplers have shit TDD.

Mirko had this ability BTW.

Nog also had a habit of getting hit alot. If average strikers could find his chin, using your logic, don't you think the french kickboxer would?

 

[MartinGibson86]

Again, this is only one division. Try to do this with FLW, BW, FW, LW, WW, MW

Even in the HW lists you quoted, its not close.

CroCop fought for 13 years and 25 fights agter leaving Pride. 10 fight win streak or so to end his career.


The Pride cultists will tell you he needed a walker to get to the cage against Gonzaga.

 

[Jewish Lightning]

You have no clue about grappling and the different dimensions of it. Like no idea at all. Sorry.

Nog had hands but always plodding. Gane is light on his feet which enhances his TDD. Let me explain something to you: TDD is not only sprawling and physical contact. It's also about distance control. About Gane not being there for Nog to grab him. Not only is this an ability most grapplers doesn't have, alot of grapplers have shit TDD.

Mirko had this ability BTW.

Nog also had a habit of getting hit alot. If average strikers could find his chin, using your logic, don't you think the french kickboxer would?

Been grappling/ wrestling since 2007 and got my purple belt in BJJ in 2014 but I don't know anything about grappling smh. Gane is a French kick boxer with 3.5 years of training who would have been taken down by Big Nog just like Cro Cop, Fedor and Barnett were. Smh.

 

[Jewish Lightning]

Lol second thread i've noticed from you shitting all over the new age. You sound like an old grumpy man reminiscing about the old days. Alot of old farts in here agrees with you in total fear of the new era, but that's where it ends.

Even if you are right, it's only one division. You got 10 other division that clearly proves the evolution of the sport.



I think it's a matter of Sherdog being filled with alot of very old people. My uncle used to always bitch about the now and only talked about the past.

Show me the proof of this "evolution"

 

[Jewish Lightning]

Again, this is only one division. Try to do this with FLW, BW, FW, LW, WW, MW

MW champion is a kick boxer with a purple belt.

LHW champ is a guy from Liddells era who took the belt from a 39 year old Journey man.

The same kids talking about "evolution " are the same ones who were saying "new breed" in the Carwin era

The sport has evolved obviously but just in terms of overall depth. The elites havent evolved much, there are just more average guys than ever now. But evolution is like climate change. It exists but way over exaggerated.

 

[po_thead]

Prime Sergei wastes Stipe.

 

[DayV]

Disagree, Couture had way more skills to put Sapp on his back and beat him there or just wait until he gassed soon

Good luck trying to Greco wrestle Sapp. In the ring there is also no space to run away from him, there are 4 corners, nor did Couture had bottom game jiu jitsu to survive or submit him, nor tools to KO Sapp. Couture had no young Nogueira legendary chin and resilence. 2002 Sapp would KO and beat Randy Couture if it was him instead of Nogueira in the ring.

 

[kflo]

Prime Sergei wastes Stipe.

overeem moved up from lhw and battered prime sergei (and yes i know they fought again).

prime sergei is a tough fight for anyone of course but just saying he'd waste stipe doesn't make it true.

 

[Jewish Lightning]

overeem moved up from lhw and battered prime sergei (and yes i know they fought again).

prime sergei is a tough fight for anyone of course but just saying he'd waste stipe doesn't make it true.

I agree "wastes" is speculation but the first Overeem fight isn't really a measurement of how a fight with Stipe would go. Sergei got a career altering shoulder injury in the first couple seconds of that fight. Second fight is a much more honest illustration of that match up against Overeem.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

MW champion is a kick boxer with a purple belt.

LHW champ is a guy from Liddells era who took the belt from a 39 year old Journey man.

The same kids talking about "evolution " are the same ones who were saying "new breed" in the Carwin era

The sport has evolved obviously but just in terms of overall depth. The elites havent evolved much, there are just more average guys than ever now.

That is I think a fundamental difference between MMA and most sports, typically depth of talent will go a long way to tell you quality of talent, you need to 10,000 kids learning boxing to make half a dozen good pros or whatever. MMA though still is very strongly dependant on drawing in existing talent from other sports so you don't automatically need the numbers of have the quality.

Really I think the UFC's business model is based much more strongly on putting on large amounts of "ok" fights and depending on the brand to sell them, a lot of what they invest in talent is spent on fighters with more limited potential to fill up lots of cards.

Back in the 00's Pride era there really wasnt the demand for that, fewer fighters involved BUT a much higher percentage of them were guys with serious potential.

 

[MartinGibson86]

If your not just a wiki expert though you'd see that really the hype around Sapp was in his early run, he walked though a ton of punishment to finish Hoost twice(some cheating involved but still impressive) and tested Nog more than anyone has previously, only Nogs extreme durability allowed him to survie.

Crocop broke Sapp's orbital in their fight when he still looked like a monster and after that the decline was very rapid, Sapp knew he could get hurt and he was also making a ton of money on adverts and TV shows. You had a period for 2-3 years after that when Sapp was still semi legit just much less tough than before then the fight against Aerts with the phantom knee, after that point Sapp was essentially just taking dives the moment anyone landed anything good on him.

Sapp was boxing Refrigerator Perry in a Toughman bout before anything you listed. That's the level he reached in boxing. Probably won't find that on Wiki either.

He played football his entire life and is at the very least, as physically imposing as any player ever. He made it to like the 2nd round ot cuts in the NFL

His wins over Hoost speak to the illwgitimacy of K-1. Sorry man. Rhats just how ir is.


Sapp was a bum

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Sapp was boxing Refrigerator Perry in a Toughman bout before anything you listed. That's the level he reached in boxing. Probably won't find that on Wiki either.

He played football his entire life and is at the very least, as physically imposing as any player ever. He made it to like the 2nd round ot cuts in the NFL

His wins over Hoost speak to the illwgitimacy of K-1. Sorry man. Rhats just how ir is.

Sapp was a bum

Yet you'll be telling me Gane being a local MT champ is massively meaningful or Roz being a mid level sub Glory guy is, honestly that you carry on with this childish brand fanboyism for year after year is becoming rather embarissing, I'm not sure why anyone would bother really engaging with you anymore.

 

[MartinGibson86]

Yet you'll be telling me Gane being a local MT champ is massively meaningful or Roz being a mid level sub Glory guy is, honestly that you carry on with this childish brand fanboyism for year after year is becoming rather embarissing, I'm not sure why anyone would bother really engaging with you anymore.

Gane is currently the 2nd or 3rd best mma HW as proven by his record in the world's premier league. Not really sure how thats a counter to Sapp being a bum, but whatever.


Goddamn


Didn't even give me time to edit my post btw lol:

Sapp was cut by the Bears and was yelling "Argghhh....they cut me!!!" as prefight hype against the Ffridge on FX's Toughman....definitely won't find that on Wiki. He was big and scary looking, like Mothra, Godzilla, etc. Hence his popularity in Japan


As for your idiotic "brand fanboyism" take... I always said Askren would beat GSP...so....

 

[kflo]

I agree "wastes" is speculation but the first Overeem fight isn't really a measurement of how a fight with Stipe would go. Sergei got a career altering shoulder injury in the first couple seconds of that fight. Second fight is a much more honest illustration of that match up against Overeem.

Overeem easily got sergei to the mat in the opening minute. It’s not like sergei had ungodly tdd.

 

[Jewish Lightning]

Overeem easily got sergei to the mat in the opening minute. It’s not like sergei had ungodly tdd.

Joey Beltran easily got Stipe to the mat too. Neither are substantial indicators of Stipe or Sergeis levels.

Coleman easily took Shogun down resulting in Shogun breaking his arm. It was still flukish.