No Palestinian flag shown under Belal Muhammed on UFC website

[evergreenrider]

Hey we can agree.

If we all agreed on every subject, life would lack that spark.

 

[Blayt7hh]

Do they afford Belal the same freedom of speech they afford Bryce?

No because they let Bryce fly his flag. Besides that’s not the point I’m making. The point t is that Bryce is saying way more controversial stuff than “I am from Palestine.”

 

[Qays Stetkevich]

Lol

Maybe you should just post your points then. And you may want to reflect on your bedfellows….

Or, you know, you could respond to points that were already made. . .if you could, or if you could be bothered to go back and read them (you won't. You'll whine and deflect instead. Cool).
You may return to wanking in the mirror.

 

[kflo]

Or, you know, you could respond to points that were already made. . .if you could, or if you could be bothered to go back and read them (you won't. You'll whine and deflect instead. Cool).
You may return to wanking in the mirror.

I just looked back and I have no problem with how I’ve responded to you. If you have something specific you want addressed, feel free to repeat it. Again, I have the same issue with your responses.

 

[kflo]

No because they let Bryce fly his flag. Besides that’s not the point I’m making. The point t is that Bryce is saying way more controversial stuff than “I am from Palestine.”

Again, Bryce is saying it on HIS platform, just like belal is representing Palestine on his platforms. Just not the UFC’s.

 

[Blayt7hh]

Again, Bryce is saying it on HIS platform, just like belal is representing Palestine on his platforms. Just not the UFC’s.

Bryce said that specific thing on his platform. He’s shared his CTs and stuff during press conferences and post fight speeches. Dana commented on the Hitler thing and said he would censor him on any.

This is the UFC double speaking and I’m sure you see that. I’m sure you know I tend to side with Israel in this conflict. I don’t think the UFC is being fair or being faithful to their free speech claim in Belal’s case.

 

[Romulas]

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Little bit of an oversight, no? Are they mad that he's not claiming to be an American or something?

He from Chicago. Waste of bandwidth

 

[Qays Stetkevich]

I just looked back and I have no problem with how I’ve responded to you. If you have something specific you want addressed, feel free to repeat it. Again, I have the same issue with your responses.

At least you're admitting that you're the pot calling the kettle black. I can respect that.

 

[kflo]

At least you're admitting that you're the pot calling the kettle black. I can respect that.

um. that's not what i did. i said i have the same issue with your posts as you claim to have with mine.

i'm here if you have any questions....

 

[Qays Stetkevich]

um. that's not what i did. i said i have the same issue with your posts as you claim to have with mine.

i'm here if you have any questions....

I'm fairly certain that you're being disingenuous, but in the off-chance that you're not. . .
I can, with relative ease and certainty, see both sides to this situation, and see where both sides are right, and where they're wrong (both side have acted unethically/immorally, but there are also things to take into account, like (again) historical context, proportionality of retaliation, and simply the comically lopsided power dynamic, all of which you seem to ignore repeatedly in your responses). Your comments, from the start, have all been 100% in support of Israel, or detracting from/ignoring any legitimate support or defense of Palestine. That's poor form and bad faith. It just doesn't come off as either balanced or informed to someone who has actually been following (for decades) what's been going on in the region.

 

[kflo]

I'm fairly certain that you're being disingenuous, but in the off-chance that you're not. . .
I can, with relative ease and certainty, see both sides to this situation, and see where both sides are right, and where they're wrong (both side have acted unethically/immorally, but there are also things to take into account, like (again) historical context, proportionality of retaliation, and simply the comically lopsided power dynamic, all of which you seem to ignore repeatedly in your responses). Your comments, from the start, have all been 100% in support of Israel, or detracting from/ignoring any legitimate support or defense of Palestine. That's poor form and bad faith. It just doesn't come off as either balanced or informed to someone who has actually been following (for decades) what's been going on in the region.

You keep saying things like historical context without providing any. I can talk about any time period from the 1800s if you like. If you want to articulate “legitimate support or defense of Palestine”, provide some, in a realistic context. The reality is the power dynamic is what it is right now. And if you want to discuss what makes sense, now, and going forward, you have to deal in the realities. I previously asked you - “How would YOU handle Gaza if you were in charge of Israel?”. I get this may be an uncomfortable question to answer but it’s really the crux of the issue, right now. And has to be addressed in full context of the future.

 

[Qays Stetkevich]

You keep saying things like historical context without providing any. I can talk about any time period from the 1800s if you like. If you want to articulate “legitimate support or defense of Palestine”, provide some, in a realistic context. The reality is the power dynamic is what it is right now. And if you want to discuss what makes sense, now, and going forward, you have to deal in the realities. I previously asked you - “How would YOU handle Gaza if you were in charge of Israel?”. I get this may be an uncomfortable question to answer but it’s really the crux of the issue, right now. And has to be addressed in full context of the future.

Dodge everything I (or anyone else) says on the matter, sure, and keep deflecting. I made several points about your complete lopsidedness, and you retort with "The reality of the power dynamic is what it is right now". . . -_- Yes, what a trite statement.

Let's just pretend that people subjugated and armed with stones are supposed to . . . what, exactly? Fight with legitimate armies against an oppressor killing and dehoming them by the thousands? Or, perhaps, they fight (back) guerilla style, as that's their only option. . .and then they're "terrorists", but not the Israelis who were doing much worse, on a much larger scale, for a much longer time, with A LOT more power, money, and influence on their side. The fact that you ("conveniently) ignore all of this is historical context is. . .again. . . poor form and in bad faith.
At any rate, I was right. You're so disingenuous (or comically clueless) on this that it's not worth wasting any more of either of our time on the subject.

 

[kflo]

Dodge everything I (or anyone else) says on the matter, sure, and keep deflecting. I made several points about your complete lopsidedness, and you retort with "The reality of the power dynamic is what it is right now". . . -_- Yes, what a trite statement.

Let's just pretend that people subjugated and armed with stones are supposed to . . . what, exactly? Fight with legitimate armies against an oppressor killing and dehoming them by the thousands? Or, perhaps, they fight (back) guerilla style, as that's their only option. . .and then they're "terrorists", but not the Israelis who were doing much worse, on a much larger scale, for a much longer time, with A LOT more power, money, and influence on their side. The fact that you ("conveniently) ignore all of this is historical context is. . .again. . . poor form and in bad faith.
At any rate, I was right. You're so disingenuous (or comically clueless) on this that it's not worth wasting any more of either of our time on the subject.

Fuck off already then. You refuse to bring up anything of substance to actually discuss. Is there a single question in there? I’ve been patient and respectful to you, you haven’t responded in kind.

And yes, they ARE terrorists. You want to argue they are NOT???

Israel was formed through legitimate avenues. And the Arab / Muslim nations saw it as an affront. And went to war. And set this whole thing in motion. Feel free to go further back if you wish. We can debate that as well.

Yes, both sides have been guilty of terrible things. But Palestine could have been celebrating the same anniversary as Israel. A different path was chosen. And continues to this day.

Violent resistance is NOT and has not been the only option. It’s been a choice. But too many don’t want to coexist. It’s why Hamas calls the existence of Israel “illogical”. And pledges to eliminate them by any means. And it’s not working. And generations go by. And enablers continue to tell them violent resistance is the right option.

And you continue to refuse to answer direct questions from me about right now. Why?

Here it is again: “How would YOU handle Gaza if you were in charge of Israel?”

 

[Qays Stetkevich]

Fuck off already then. You refuse to bring up anything of substance to actually discuss. Is there a single question in there? I’ve been patient and respectful to you, you haven’t responded in kind.

And yes, they ARE terrorists. You want to argue they are NOT???

Israel was formed through legitimate avenues. And the Arab / Muslim nations saw it as an affront. And went to war. And set this whole thing in motion. Feel free to go further back if you wish. We can debate that as well.

Yes, both sides have been guilty of terrible things. But Palestine could have been celebrating the same anniversary as Israel. A different path was chosen. And continues to this day.

Violent resistance is NOT and has not been the only option. It’s been a choice. But too many don’t want to coexist. It’s why Hamas calls the existence of Israel “illogical”. And pledges to eliminate them by any means. And it’s not working. And generations go by. And enablers continue to tell them violent resistance is the right option.

And you continue to refuse to answer direct questions from me about right now. Why?

Here it is again: “How would YOU handle Gaza if you were in charge of Israel?”

I wouldn't bomb and kill women and children by the literal tens of thousands you epic, disingenuous, triggered loser. I mean your inability to honestly weight both sides of any aspect of this is revolting and revealing. Various solutions were brought up over the decades (such as in 2002) that you ignored and deflected by snarkily going "pfffft you mean the Passover massacre". I see how much you "know" about the history, and how "balanced" and "honest" you immutable narrative is. Gross, bad faith emotional troll.

p.s. I'll spell it out one last time (designees loser): I have no problem admitting the reality: that both Palestine and Israel using terrorism (with, again, the nuances of context, power imbalances and balances, etc.,), while you only think the slaves rebelling, as violent as it is, are the terrorist. TENS OF THOUSANDS OF WOMEN AND CHILDREN, after literal decade upon decade of abuse, steamrolling of houses, killings, oppression. Delusional smh

 

[kflo]

I wouldn't bomb and kill women and children by the literal tens of thousands you epic, disingenuous, triggered loser. I mean your inability to honestly weight both sides of any aspect of this is revolting and revealing. Various solutions were brought up over the decades (such as in 2002) that you ignored and deflected by snarkily going "pfffft you mean the Passover massacre". I see how much you "know" about the history, and how "balanced" and "honest" you immutable narrative is. Gross, bad faith emotional troll.

p.s. I'll spell it out one last time (designees loser): I have no problem admitting the reality: that both Palestine and Israel using terrorism (with, again, the nuances of context, power imbalances and balances, etc.,), while you only think the slaves rebelling, as violent as it is, are the terrorist. TENS OF THOUSANDS OF WOMEN AND CHILDREN, after literal decade upon decade of abuse, steamrolling of houses, killings, oppression. Delusional smh

You still haven’t answered the question. And lol at you dismissing the Passover massacre’s impact on potential peace agreements. It wasn’t an individual attack. It was sponsored.

Israel unilaterally left Gaza almost 20 years ago….

And lol at you calling me triggered.

Again, what would you do?????? Still no answer.

And lol at not calling Hamas terrorists.