Social Nick Fuentes is getting way too popular

[SuperAlly]

A latino white supremacist. What a nerd.

And an antisemite. This is the “right” way to be according to left politics and major mainstream news corporations like the BBC, TV and newspapers in the US and UK. This is their preferred form of bigotry and discrimination. Why are they pretending to have an issue with that?

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

Wow, poor Ben has massive FDS!

The USA automatically has that since it it was not founded as a dictatorship.

 

[Mr.Maelstrom]

All of these "controversial man-tor with a message" types are posers and shitheads for the everyday civilian posers and shitheads that need someone, anyone to constantly follow and emulate.
If it's not Tate, it's Shapiro. If it's not Rogan, it's Crowder. If it's not Jordan Peterson, it's this Nick dork.
Having serious concerns about the state of masculinity (your own, or for society's in the larger sense) is inherently some gay shit to be preoccupied about, and listening to these twats so they can sell you a "man's man's" idea of masculinity.... just quit now lol
You're 100% a mark for someone else's hustle, best case scenario

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

Having serious concerns about the state of masculinity (your own, or for society's in the larger sense) is inherently some gay shit to be preoccupied about, and listening to these twats so they can sell you a "man's man's" idea of masculinity.... just quit now lol


You're 100% a mark for someone else's hustle, best case scenario

Did we not see lawfare and constant journalistic hostility toward anyone born as a male for the last 10 years?

If all the above mentioned people would move to an ashram never to be seen again, nothing would change.

 

[Crazy Source]

And an antisemite. This is the “right” way to be according to left politics and major mainstream news corporations like the BBC, TV and newspapers in the US and UK. This is their preferred form of bigotry and discrimination. Why are they pretending to have an issue with that?

This is your boy, of your making. He would not have thrived with the left. The right gave him a spot. Own it you coward.

 

[Mr.Maelstrom]

Did we not see lawfare and constant journalistic hostility toward anyone born as a male for the last 10 years?

If all the above mentioned people would move to an ashram never to be seen again, nothing would change.

You'll have to forgive me if I just don't give a shit about these nebulous culture wars fought online between geeks and goobers just dying to stay perpetually worked up about what they're told to stay worked up about by some sperg from near the same end of the spectrum as them.

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[Nizam al-Mulk]

You'll have to forgive me if I just don't give a shit about these nebulous culture wars fought online between geeks and goobers just dying to stay perpetually worked up about what they're told to stay worked up about by some sperg from near the same end of the spectrum as them.

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Sure, but the culture wars care about you, in school, the workplace, in entertainment etc.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Nobody cultivated him. He was a typical kid who was conservative who was joining republican groups. He didnt think white people should date black people, not that they can't, just his personal beliefs, and got blasted by the right and people he thought were his friends. The right, including the likes of Ben Shapiro (who btw was the biggest figure at the time) tried erasing him and publicly humiliating him. Continue on with the stupid identity politics, the right ignoring it, and telling white males they're lesser people, he is the natural reaction. We have an entire generation of males who are falling behind females in education and income. That same generation has been through BLM, 3rd and 4th wave feminism, while being told its their fault for the transgressions of their ancestors. Did you really think suppressing young men wasn't going to have a negative reaction? All the left did was push oppressor vs oppressed on these young males and they just channeled it into a focus outside of the original intent. The reason is because that ideology doesn't fucking work.

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Why are they falling behind in education? Who is telling boys to work less hard than girls at school?

 

[Hellowhosthat]

I personally think the reason for the popularity of people like Fuentes and various others is that everyone now thinks they're a critical thinker and tends to overestimate their intelligence but now there are more options of who you can go to for the purpose of having whatever vibes with the opinions you already had validated.

I think in reality very few people are critical thinkers and we need to put way more emphasis on teaching it in school now we live in an era where we can get basically any opinion we want validated by someone.

 

[SuperAlly]

This is your boy, of your making. He would not have thrived with the left. The right gave him a spot. Own it you coward.

I have no idea who he is.

He is no more my boy than he is yours. I guess given your response here you are probably part of the far left crowd far too comfortable with gour racism and antisemitism. You and he share views no doubt. Own it you imbecile.

 

[Mr.Maelstrom]

Sure, but the culture wars care about you, in school, the workplace, in entertainment etc.

Wrong. Wars are only as tangible as the soldiers who arrive to keep fighting them.
The majority of all of us agree on 80% or more on most issues, but spend most of our effort wrapped up in the narcissism of small differences to our own detriment and stagnation.

There's an allegory about captives being held in a cave, and how they only see the shapes and shadows that the fire conjures up directly in front of them, and they have mistaken them for reality as they don't know any better.

I left as soon as I could, but I wanted to come back to tell all of you that there's a vast, actual real world with better shapes and bigger fires to observe and experience, just a stones throw away from where you are right now.

But if you want to stay here in the cave, that's Ok too. Some captives have come to love their chains, and some always will

 

[Stoic1]

I personally think the reason for the popularity of people like Fuentes and various others is that everyone now thinks they're a critical thinker and tends to overestimate their intelligence but now there are more options of who you can go to for the purpose of having whatever vibes with the opinions you already had validated.

I think in reality very few people are critical thinkers and we need to put way more emphasis on teaching it in school now we live in an era where we can get basically any opinion we want validated by someone.

Conversely, the platforms exist in the free marketplace of ideas to disprove these people. While validation will be readily available so will condemnation. Which has certainly happened as evidenced by his detractors on this thread alone.

And the interesting part is that even with this condemnation and often outright censorship within the "free market" he continues to make headway.

 

[Crazy Source]

Conversely, the platforms exist in the free marketplace of ideas to disprove these people. While validation will be readily available so will condemnation. Which has certainly happened as evidenced by his detractors on this thread alone.

And the interesting part is that even with this condemnation and often outright censorship within the "free market" he continues to make headway.

I remember the time when we just talked. Not this measured talk. I'm accusing myself here. We all sound like professors.

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

Wrong. Wars are only as tangible as the soldiers who arrive to keep fighting them.
The majority of all of us agree on 80% or more on most issues, but spend most of our effort wrapped up in the narcissism of small differences to our own detriment and stagnation.

There's an allegory about captives being held in a cave, and how they only see the shapes and shadows that the fire conjures up directly in front of them, and they have mistaken them for reality as they don't know any better.

I left as soon as I could, but I wanted to come back to tell all of you that there's a vast, actual real world with better shapes and bigger fires to observe and experience, just a stones throw away from where you are right now.

But if you want to stay here in the cave, that's Ok too. Some captives have come to love their chains, and some always will

The majority is a mush and it is up to minority to promote different models for them.

The differences are not small at all. There were during the 2000s but not anymore.

How about you get Plato on here to say that you are right?

I personally think the reason for the popularity of people like Fuentes and various others is that everyone now thinks they're a critical thinker and tends to overestimate their intelligence but now there are more options of who you can go to for the purpose of having whatever vibes with the opinions you already had validated.

I think in reality very few people are critical thinkers and we need to put way more emphasis on teaching it in school now we live in an era where we can get basically any opinion we want validated by someone.

How do critical thinkers recognize one another. It is like Highlander, they just feel it?

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Conversely, the platforms exist in the free marketplace of ideas to disprove these people. While validation will be readily available so will condemnation. Which has certainly happened as evidenced by his detractors on this thread alone.

And the interesting part is that even with this condemnation and often outright censorship within the "free market" he continues to make headway.

I think people are generally wired to seek out things that validate their opinion, I think we can see that in the current climate where there's more information freely available than ever but people also seem more set and dug in on their opinions than ever.

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

I think people are generally wired to seek out things that validate their opinion, I think we can see that in the current climate where there's more information freely available than ever but people also seem more set and dug in on their opinions than ever.

There are more registered independents than ever.

 

[ShadowRun]

It's back to clip farming. Do you think that everyone's political views are accurately summarized by their edgelord online gaming chats?

As opposed to acting as if Fuentes wise cracking while playing Grand Theft Auto is a complete representation of the man, let's examine Ben Shapiro's words posted to the Internet as an essay aimed at persuading an audience.
From: https://www.orlandosentinel.com/2003/09/08/transfer-is-not-a-dirty-word/
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'Transfer is not a dirty word by Ben Shapiro
...
Arab-Jewish conflict is exponentially more volatile than German-Polish conflict ever was. And the solution
is far easier. If there was "room in Germany for the German populations of East Prussia and of the other
territories," as Churchill stated, there is certainly room in the spacious Muslim states of the Middle East
for 5 million Palestinians and Israeli Arabs. If Germans, who had a centuries-old connection to the newly created Polish territory, could be expelled, then surely Palestinians, whose claim to Judea, Samaria and
Gaza is dubious at best, can be expelled.

It's time to stop being squeamish. Jews are not Nazis. Transfer is not genocide. And anything else isn't a solution.'

Substitute Arab-Jewish conflict with black-white conflict in America: It's time to stop being squeamish. Transfer of American blacks to Africa is not genocide. And anything else isn't a solution.

Why would anyone debate someone like Ben Shapiro who supports ethnic cleansing?

Nick Fuentes would still debate Ben Shapiro, but where does the cancel culture warrior ShadowRun stand on debating a supporter of ethnic cleansing like Ben Shapiro?

First off, let's not pretend Nick Fuentes "edgelord gaming chats" are some isolated moments ,they're the tip of a very deliberate iceberg. This guy's built an entire career on holocaust denial, praising Hitler, and pushing a white supremacy. He leads the Groyper (incels) army of antisemites, openly calls for "Holy War" against Jews, and even now that he's flipped hard against Trump, blasting him for being "hijacked by Israel First," attacking JD Vance as a shill and mocking his Indian-American wife Usha as part of a "biracial family" that's un-American, he's still spewing the same white supremacist bile, like demanding the GOP ditch unconditional Israel support or face a "civil war." Dismissing it all as "clip farming" is like calling David Duke a misunderstood podcaster. If we're not platforming actual neo-Nazis, it's not "cancel culture" it's basic responsibility. Spreading their word doesn't "debunk" them; it amplifies their reach to vulnerable audiences. (See Shapiro's whole episode, it's in why engaging these clowns in "debate" just feeds the troll.)

So you whataboutism with Shapiro's column: Yeah, that's a wild, immature take from a 19-year-old kid writing hot takes for syndication. (He was literally a college freshman.) He's addressed his early writing as overly provocative and has spent two decades evolving into a mainstream conservative who condemns ethnic cleansing, white supremacy, and genocide explicitly calling out Fuentes as a "vile antisemite" in that very episode. He has his old stuff on his sites and admits the mistakes. Your black-white substitution is a dishonest gotcha: Shapiro never advocated expelling American citizens based on race. He was arguing (poorly) for a geopolitical "transfer" in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, citing historical precedents like post-WWII border shifts, not a blueprint for domestic pogroms. False equivalence doesn't make Fuentes any less radioactive; it just dodges the point.

So spare me this bullshit, if you want to praise a white supremacist who tries to disguise eugenics in different words and a different flavor of it, go ahead. There is a reason the majority of the right and the left don't want this clown on a national stage. He can stay in his basement doing rage baiting shows. Him, Tucker, and Owens can go start a new crazy party that loves identity politics and hates Jews. it's the same tired shtick as that notorious hacker Andrew Auenheimer (how ever you spell his name) back around 2012 dude went full Hitler Youth, hacking college printers to spew neo-Nazi fliers for the "lolz" and outrage, starting as a troll dropping slurs like a kid in an online shooter, but morphing into a Daily Stormer tech bro spewing real antisemitic bile. Except Fuentes is the political influencer remix, lower IQ and the same attention-whoring Nazi cosplay, just with a podcast mic and Groypers instead of IRC raids.

 

[ShadowRun]

I have no idea who he is.

He is no more my boy than he is yours. I guess given your response here you are probably part of the far left crowd far too comfortable with gour racism and antisemitism. You and he share views no doubt. Own it you imbecile.

Yea he has more in common with the hard woke left than the right, I haven't paid attention to him or knew who he was until recently. I would see people name drop him on here (left users trying to do gotchas) and ignore that dumb shit. The dude is a pos

 

[William Huggins]

whats the problem?

The Mexican bit???

 

[Andy Capp]

I'm not paying mind to the discussion you are having, so I don't know the context. But I do like what GOATbama had to say.

None of what I was saying actually had anything to do with heinous acts against women, I'm not sure how that came in. I was talking about men struggling in society and ending up following negative figures like Fuentes. That's a pretty wild switch.

Fair enough. I put my foot in it there. I withdraw the comment.