NHL Regular Season Discussion: Sharks Pls

[JudoThrowFiasco]

The leafs could offer upwards of 15 mil...but they won't. This will boil down to where stammer wants to play, as both teams will pay him handedly. Toronto has the coach, and now the goalie...the have a great cast of young talent on the wings and first pick overall.

Toronto is his home town, he grew up a leafs fan and should he win Toronto its first cup he would be immortalized...

Hell even if he gets to just the semi finals he becomes a super star. Just ask Gilmore and sundin.

He would pay higher taxes in Canada but his merchandizing rights would be off the hook due to his exposure, and the rabid hockey culture in Toronto.

He's coming home.

While i appreciate the "plan the parade" enthusiasm for the Leafs..they really technically only have 7 million in Cap space - if you want to get optimistic: they can spend another 7.3 in the off season; However, by the first game of the regular season, would need to figure out a way to cut that 7.3 million


So -if they sign him for 11 million - they would need to cut the fat off, so lose about 4 million by the first game. Which should be easy to do by buying out lupe - theres about 3.7 million saved for next year. But, they would have no money to sign the remaining players needed, including Matthews who will be a million in base salary with the potential of up to 2-3 million if you include bonuses (which you have to include against the cap but can be deferred). That does not leave very much wiggle room for the remaining players.

They would have risk taking big hits on guys like Bernier would have to be trade (which could be harder than expected considering the expansion) or buy him out - which would only bring back 1.4 million. Could buy out a few more players but wouldnt net much return on the guys you let go. Trade Bozak and you'd get about 4.2 extra but still have to fill that spot so maximum is 3.7 from getting rid of him.

Moral of the story is that Buffalo can throw him the full 14.6 max contract and break far less of a brain sweat doing it. Buffalo can also offer him a better team at this point.

That being said, I think Toronto has a real shot - but Buffalo has way more power to offer the deal he may not be able to refuse financial wise.

 

[BVG]

While i appreciate the "plan the parade" enthusiasm for the Leafs..they really technically only have 7 million in Cap space - if you want to get optimistic: they can spend another 7.3 in the off season; However, by the first game of the regular season, would need to figure out a way to cut that 7.3 million


So -if they sign him for 11 million - they would need to cut the fat off, so lose about 4 million by the first game. Which should be easy to do by buying out lupe - theres about 3.7 million saved for next year. But, they would have no money to sign the remaining players needed, including Matthews who will be a million in base salary with the potential of up to 2-3 million if you include bonuses (which you have to include against the cap but can be deferred). That does not leave very much wiggle room for the remaining players.

They would have risk taking big hits on guys like Bernier would have to be trade (which could be harder than expected considering the expansion) or buy him out - which would only bring back 1.4 million. Could buy out a few more players but wouldnt net much return on the guys you let go. Trade Bozak and you'd get about 4.2 extra but still have to fill that spot so maximum is 3.7 from getting rid of him.

Moral of the story is that Buffalo can throw him the full 14.6 max contract and break far less of a brain sweat doing it. Buffalo can also offer him a better team at this point.

That being said, I think Toronto has a real shot - but Buffalo has way more power to offer the deal he may not be able to refuse financial wise.

This guy did a nice job of posting what my thoughts are on how the Leafs can afford Stamkos.

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/24717

Nobody that's a Leafs fan would suggest that the Leafs are going to be anywhere close to a cup in the next 2 years. But I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that they might contend for one before the end of his 7 year contract...

I know "plan the parade" is the rally call to sum up an unrealistic Leafs fan...so let's make sure we are on the same page of expectations here...

When you make a strong pitch to a guy like Stamkos...it's with the expectations that theirs gonna be a stanley cup down the road. Allot can go wrong with the Leafs rebuild to fortune. But so far in the past 3 years they've done everything right.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

This guy did a nice job of posting what my thoughts are on how the Leafs can afford Stamkos.

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/24717

Nobody that's a Leafs fan would suggest that the Leafs are going to be anywhere close to a cup in the next 2 years. But I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that they might contend for one before the end of his 7 year contract...

I know "plan the parade" is the rally call to sum up an unrealistic Leafs fan...so let's make sure we are on the same page of expectations here...

When you make a strong pitch to a guy like Stamkos...it's with the expectations that theirs gonna be a stanley cup down the road. Allot can go wrong with the Leafs rebuild to fortune. But so far in the past 3 years they've done everything right.

LOL

hes 427k over the cap.

on top of that:

doesnt have a 3rd goalie sign (must have that)

and missing 3 players (you need a minium of 24 skaters and 3 goalies signed with max 73 million to do.

He just has a dressed lineup that equals out t 73 million...well technically:
73'427'500

He would be better off buying MM - trading Bozak for whatever doesn't get us on the book for more money (no idea why anyone would keep Bozak if we got stammer) and not to assume Mitch will be on the opening night roster (he wont be)

I think if leafs get stamkos and can blow out the 2018' free agency pool - they should be top 8 cup contenders for the '19 season.

 

[BVG]

LOL

hes 427k over the cap.

on top of that:

doesnt have a 3rd goalie sign (must have that)

and missing 3 players (you need a minium of 24 skaters and 3 goalies signed with max 73 million to do.

He just has a dressed lineup that equals out t 73 million...well technically:
73'427'500

He would be better off buying MM - trading Bozak for whatever doesn't get us on the book for more money (no idea why anyone would keep Bozak if we got stammer) and not to assume Mitch will be on the opening night roster (he wont be)

I think if leafs get stamkos and can blow out the 2018' free agency pool - they should be top 8 cup contenders for the '19 season.

Maybe I'm wrong with their cap hit. We will see what happens over the next few days.

 

[SammyPops]

While i appreciate the "plan the parade" enthusiasm for the Leafs..they really technically only have 7 million in Cap space - if you want to get optimistic: they can spend another 7.3 in the off season; However, by the first game of the regular season, would need to figure out a way to cut that 7.3 million


So -if they sign him for 11 million - they would need to cut the fat off, so lose about 4 million by the first game. Which should be easy to do by buying out lupe - theres about 3.7 million saved for next year. But, they would have no money to sign the remaining players needed, including Matthews who will be a million in base salary with the potential of up to 2-3 million if you include bonuses (which you have to include against the cap but can be deferred). That does not leave very much wiggle room for the remaining players.

They would have risk taking big hits on guys like Bernier would have to be trade (which could be harder than expected considering the expansion) or buy him out - which would only bring back 1.4 million. Could buy out a few more players but wouldnt net much return on the guys you let go. Trade Bozak and you'd get about 4.2 extra but still have to fill that spot so maximum is 3.7 from getting rid of him.

Moral of the story is that Buffalo can throw him the full 14.6 max contract and break far less of a brain sweat doing it. Buffalo can also offer him a better team at this point.

That being said, I think Toronto has a real shot - but Buffalo has way more power to offer the deal he may not be able to refuse financial wise.

wow. you know your shit bro.

Question for you: sprots radio talking heads have stated that buffalo's issues is too many good young player who need to be singed/big deals in 2-4 years. Thoughts?

 

[flashNsmash]

lol how does brent burns not win defenseman trophy.
fuck drew doubty

only the regular season counts bud

 

[flashNsmash]

what was the deal with that tranny anyway?

 

[R.I.P. KMS]

LOL at this shit

http://www.thebeaverton.com/sports/item/2759-crosby-voted-nhl-s-most-valuable-non-rapist

 

[Graves The Elder]

haha, wtf

 

[BVG]

LOL

hes 427k over the cap.

on top of that:

doesnt have a 3rd goalie sign (must have that)

and missing 3 players (you need a minium of 24 skaters and 3 goalies signed with max 73 million to do.

He just has a dressed lineup that equals out t 73 million...well technically:
73'427'500

He would be better off buying MM - trading Bozak for whatever doesn't get us on the book for more money (no idea why anyone would keep Bozak if we got stammer) and not to assume Mitch will be on the opening night roster (he wont be)

I think if leafs get stamkos and can blow out the 2018' free agency pool - they should be top 8 cup contenders for the '19 season.

Another article suggesting they are not constrained at all

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Mike...rained-By-Cap-In-Pursuit-Of-Stamkos/120/77707

If the Leafs make no moves of any kind, they would have $14.3 Million in cap space to sign players.

It is as I thought.

"the Leafs can put the final year of Robidas’ contract on LTIR , which along with Horton would clear $8.3 Million in cap space in October."

So technically...the Leafs could match anything Buffalo offered. (though I wouldn't want them to go as high as 12...that's ridiculous). But while he would be a star in Buffalo, he would be immortal in Toronto should he have even slightly above average success.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Maybe I'm wrong with their cap hit. We will see what happens over the next few days.

Another article suggesting they are not constrained at all

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Mike...rained-By-Cap-In-Pursuit-Of-Stamkos/120/77707

If the Leafs make no moves of any kind, they would have $14.3 Million in cap space to sign players.

It is as I thought.

Technically a team can go 10% of over the cap during the offseason - but you have to find a way to alleviate that 7.3 million by the start of the season - like i said, it can be done with trades and buy outs, like that article says - but it fails to take into account signing other players - they still need to sign Matthews - which will be 1-3 million of cap space depending on the bonus structure

"the Leafs can put the final year of Robidas’ contract on LTIR , which along with Horton would clear $8.3 Million in cap space in October."

Yes - if they spend near cap ceiling - they can subtract those LTIR from to wiggle some space. That would be one way to alleviate the 7.3 the would have to pay back by october

So technically...the Leafs could match anything Buffalo offered. (though I wouldn't want them to go as high as 12...that's ridiculous). But while he would be a star in Buffalo, he would be immortal in Toronto should he have even slightly above average success.

They really cant match whatever Buffalo can because buffalo can offer the full 20% max (14.6 million) - without having to pay anything back in sept, without LTIR and still have 8 million in actual space to fill out its roster. If the leafs tried to match full offer (with the LTIR cap relief in place) they would have about 1 million left to sign Mathews - leave 0 dollars to sign the rest of their roster spots or call ups.

I already said the leafs could do as high as 11 (max) and still have bare minimum to sign the rest of the spots - but even then they are pretty handcuffed to make any other deals and they still need pieces of defense.

again, i think Toronto is in the Running, even may be the lead in the running, but Buffalo can still offer the "too good to refuse" money deal that Toronto can not. Toronto still can offer a big money deal - but no, they can not match anything Buffalo offers.

If they trade Bozak/Kadri friday - that opens up around 4.5 - 5 million you know they have Stamkos on the line for July 1st

edit - you dont find it odd that they pulled that article from the main page and its not linked under the leafs section now?

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/team/Toronto-Maple-Leafs

 

[BVG]

Technically a team can go 10% of over the cap during the offseason - but you have to find a way to alleviate that 7.3 million by the start of the season - like i said, it can be done with trades and buy outs, like that article says - but it fails to take into account signing other players - they still need to sign Matthews - which will be 1-3 million of cap space depending on the bonus structure



Yes - if they spend near cap ceiling - they can subtract those LTIR from to wiggle some space. That would be one way to alleviate the 7.3 the would have to pay back by october



They really cant match whatever Buffalo can because buffalo can offer the full 20% max (14.6 million) - without having to pay anything back in sept, without LTIR and still have 8 million in actual space to fill out its roster. If the leafs tried to match full offer (with the LTIR cap relief in place) they would have about 1 million left to sign Mathews - leave 0 dollars to sign the rest of their roster spots or call ups.

I already said the leafs could do as high as 11 (max) and still have bare minimum to sign the rest of the spots - but even then they are pretty handcuffed to make any other deals and they still need pieces of defense.

again, i think Toronto is in the Running, even may be the lead in the running, but Buffalo can still offer the "too good to refuse" money deal that Toronto can not. Toronto still can offer a big money deal - but no, they can not match anything Buffalo offers.

If they trade Bozak/Kadri friday - that opens up around 4.5 - 5 million you know they have Stamkos on the line for July 1st

edit - you dont find it odd that they pulled that article from the main page and its not linked under the leafs section now?

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/team/Toronto-Maple-Leafs

That is weird but the page is still active...and their's a pod cast discussing it.

Buffalo is not going to go higher than 11-12...if they do...lol. good luck to them. The Leafs better not go over 10.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

wow. you know your shit bro.

Question for you: sprots radio talking heads have stated that buffalo's issues is too many good young player who need to be singed/big deals in 2-4 years. Thoughts?

Really? Buffalo seems to be in one of the most advantageous positions in the league - yeah after two years they will need to sign Eichel and Reinhart to substantial deals - but even then, they will resemble deals like like Hall and Eberle made based on the cap at that time. i would guess they match O'reilly and make 7.5 million (maybe not Sam - he could go for 6.5 ish)

They do have a lot of prospects - they will need to sign but nothing that will break the bank - plus they will probably trade or let go of Kane by then. That, couple with movable pieces and a higher cap in 2 years (assuming cdn dollar rebounds) and Buffalo will have more than enough to work with - even if they sign Vesey and Stamkos.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

That is weird but the page is still active...and their's a pod cast discussing it.

Buffalo is not going to go higher than 11-12...if they do...lol. good luck to them. The Leafs better not go over 10.

yeah ive heard their podcast - love ripping on mikeinbuffalo - he was the guy pushing Nash in toronto for years and years and Getzlaf, to a less extent.

Leafs have to do more than 10. Kane and Toews set the standard at 10.5 - so its either that or 11. I think Tampa offered 8.5 for 8yrs. - factor in no state tax, how much further along Tampa is as a team and that Stammer said he loves the area - any other team would need to at least float his ego by making him the highest paid player. Stamkos is a Newport client - those guys do not fuck around when it comes to dollars. Rumor is, their analysis packages on potential teams they give their big name athletes about to enter FA are insanely detailed with a myriad of variables - would love to read the one they have on the leafs.

I think everything you mention RE: leafs is fair - he would be a god here - but you cant discount what others can offer. If i was him, i would go to the leafs just for the shot at legacy - but again, i would have to drink some serious beers on the deck pondering about the money i could be leaving on the table.

I say friday is the day we can really start to get excited - draft Matthews and try to make some moves. If they move Bozak then i get excited about Stammer - if they dont, i become less optimistic.

Also note that Tavares becomes a FA in 18' and the only contracts we have on the books by then will be kadri, andersen, Riley and gardner (plus probably out young guns on bridge contracts) Should be interesting if NY doesn't sign JT to an extension next year.

 

[BVG]

yeah ive heard their podcast - love ripping on mikeinbuffalo - he was the guy pushing Nash in toronto for years and years and Getzlaf, to a less extent.

Leafs have to do more than 10. Kane and Toews set the standard at 10.5 - so its either that or 11. I think Tampa offered 8.5 for 8yrs. - factor in no state tax, how much further along Tampa is as a team and that Stammer said he loves the area - any other team would need to at least float his ego by making him the highest paid player. Stamkos is a Newport client - those guys do not fuck around when it comes to dollars. Rumor is, their analysis packages on potential teams they give their big name athletes about to enter FA are insanely detailed with a myriad of variables - would love to read the one they have on the leafs.

I think everything you mention RE: leafs is fair - he would be a god here - but you cant discount what others can offer. If i was him, i would go to the leafs just for the shot at legacy - but again, i would have to drink some serious beers on the deck pondering about the money i could be leaving on the table.

I say friday is the day we can really start to get excited - draft Matthews and try to make some moves. If they move Bozak then i get excited about Stammer - if they dont, i become less optimistic.

Also note that Tavares becomes a FA in 18' and the only contracts we have on the books by then will be kadri, andersen, Riley and gardner (plus probably out young guns on bridge contracts) Should be interesting if NY doesn't sign JT to an extension next year.

Always take what hockey players say about their current teams with a grain of salt.

Hell Kessel HATED the Leafs and still says great things about the team and the fans...

I think Stammer hated how he was treated through out the season, being put on wing...and knowing that he was slowly no longer "the guy". If he signs with Toronto for 10 assume that he's getting some crazy ass off the books sponsorship deal that comes with being a superstar on the Toronto Maple Leafs.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Always take what hockey players say about their current teams with a grain of salt.

Hell Kessel HATED the Leafs and still says great things about the team and the fans...

I think Stammer hated how he was treated through out the season, being put on wing...and knowing that he was slowly no longer "the guy". If he signs with Toronto for 10 assume that he's getting some crazy ass off the books sponsorship deal that comes with being a superstar on the Toronto Maple Leafs.

he still gets Canadian endorsements regardless where he plays - he just signed with sports check - add that to his deal with coke, nike and tissot. I guess toronto could offer The Bay and CDN tire? lol

i hope you're right at 10 - im less optimistic about that 10.5 at minimum and that's hometown discount.

 

[ChillyPalmer]

Stamkos is a maybe

Matthews is a fucking guarantee!

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

 

[BVG]

he still gets Canadian endorsements regardless where he plays - he just signed with sports check - add that to his deal with coke, nike and tissot. I guess toronto could offer The Bay and CDN tire? lol

i hope you're right at 10 - im less optimistic about that 10.5 at minimum and that's hometown discount.

I'm not exactly sure which sponsorship deals but Kyperos was talking about it on a podcast that it goes on in Toronto...it's just not something that the Leafs can legally offer.

 

[Frank23]

 

[ProBoxingInsidr]

so stoked we are getting a team here in Vegas. cant wait to see the Wings here