Ngannou's Power vs Shane Carwin's Power

[bangard]

Ngannou and it isn't close, only old nostalgic fans who hate giving credit to the new gen will say otherwise

It isnt close??? Have u seen an Carwin fights???

 

[blaccbeard]

Carwin TKO'd people, Ngannou knocks them dead.

One need simply look at the level of competition that Ngannou has flatlined vs the random nobody's that Carwin could not even sleep.

Carwin hit Lesnar with everything he had and couldn't finish him, you think Ngannou if Ngannou hit Lesnar that many times he couldn't finish him?

Not to mention JDS turned Carwin's face into hamburger meat and retired him, meanwhile Ngannou finished JDS with an off balanced akward shot from behind.

Ngannou's power is leagues ahead of Carwin's, this shouldn't even be debatable.

 

[LoveSherdogThisTime]

Ngannou is strong enough to fend off TD attempts. In order to get him down he has to be gassed. Cain tried taking Ngannou down and got ragdolled and KTFO in the process. Mark Hunt was able to stop Lesnar's TD attempt in the second round of their fight. If Hunt can get back up to his feet and defend a shot from Lesnar, so can Ngannou.

I disagree. I think it's very unlikely that Lesnar can survive long enough on the feet to close the distance and get a hold of him. However, if he can get Ngannou in the clinch or get his back on the fence, Lesnar will be able to take Ngannou down. I don't know if he's a better wrestler than Stipe but I do think he's stronger. Ngannou is not going to be able to defend Lesnar's attempts like he did against a 230 pound Stipe.

 

[alex21cms]

No. If you don’t take into consideration that Stipe was thirty pounds lighter than Ngannou in the second fight, you have no idea what you are talking about. It doesn’t matter if it’s Francis Ngannou 2.0 or 3.0, Brock Lesnar who weights above 265 pounds likely will take him down if he can get past those devastating punches.

Brock was scared shitless to face 5 11 at most 40 years old 240 punds fat cormier not no mention he was finished by a fat Mexican let alone facing Ngannou

 

[alex21cms]

Stipe also ko s people stiff with short punches he probably hits harder that Carwin too

 

[kflo]

Carwin is the hardest hitter we've seen yet. Ngannou is second, but not far behind.

Again based on what? One flush shot against gonzaga and one against Christian wellisch?

 

[LoveSherdogThisTime]

Brock was scared shitless to face 5 11 at most 40 years old 240 punds fat cormier not no mention he was finished by a fat Mexican let alone facing Ngannou

Discard the fact that Lesnar's stand up is weak and that he is likely not going to be able to survive long enough on the feet to be able to get Ngannou up against the fence. You don't think Brock can take Ngannou down if he gets a hold of him?

 

[LoveSherdogThisTime]

Stipe also ko s people stiff with short punches he probably hits harder that Carwin too

Actually. I thought Stipe was the hardest hitting heavyweight for a while before Ngannou's emergence. I think JDS said Stipe is the hardest hitting guy he has ever faced.

 

[kflo]

Carwin is the harder puncher of the two. If he had got into MMA younger and stayed healthy he could have had a heck of a career. He had crazy, God-given power. 2010 / 11 JDS and Lesnar both would have beaten Francis too and in a head to head I think Carwin would have knocked Ngannou spark out.

He landed 2 flush right crosses in the pocket right on the jaw. Wellisch a lhw wasn’t even out and it’s one of carwin’s biggest knockouts.

 

[alex21cms]

Discard the fact that Lesnar's stand up is weak and that he is likely not going to be able to survive long enough on the feet to be able to get Ngannou up against the fence. You don't think Brock can take Ngannou down if he gets a hold of him?

yep with those bullrushed telegraphed take downs attepts it would be like Lewis vs Blaydes but faster

 

[Catlin]

not comparable, we know Carwin was on steroids but unsure if Ngannou is

 

[Kungpowking]

I honestly cant say any one HW is the "hardest" hitter or has more "power". Just spent the last 30min watching KO highlights and its a real headscratcher. Ngannou and Carwin are definitely contenders. but then so are people like Fedor, Hunt & Rumble.

Compare resumes and who each was/wasnt capable of KOing who. Its a real MMAth type of outcome where no body wins.

 

[Final Say]

I disagree. I think it's very unlikely that Lesnar can survive long enough on the feet to close the distance and get a hold of him. However, if he can get Ngannou in the clinch or get his back on the fence, Lesnar will be able to take Ngannou down. I don't know if he's a better wrestler than Stipe but I do think he's stronger. Ngannou is not going to be able to defend Lesnar's attempts like he did against a 230 pound Stipe.

I don’t think there’s a universe where brock can beat Francis. Land one takedown? Maybe, but even that I doubt. Brock was far, far too limited

 

[Final Say]

Ngannou is a poor man's Carwin fighting in a worse HW division

Lmao troll

 

[spinup]

Ngannou and it isn't close,

Carwin by far, not even close.

I think they are on the same level, and it's not even close.

 

[spinup]

This thread had an interesting approach to quantify punching power looking at sig strikes landed per KD (could be refined by taking out clinch and GnP but still not bad)
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/measuring-punching-power-sig-strikes-per-knockdown-at-hw.4199524/

Ngannou lands a knock down every 23 strikes, this is an insane number and nobody comes close.
Carwin is actually the second, with a knockdown every 34 strikes, still huge.

For reference, Stipe is at 139, Hunt at 53, JDS at 79, Overeem at 71, Rozenstruik at 35 (at the time of the thread).

 

[Sycho Sid]

Carwin could not KO JDS over 3 rounds

Francis did it in one round.

So by the laws of MMAth, Francis hits at least 3 times as hard.

 

[I_IZ_BACK]

I'm going with Carwin

 

[Miokink026]

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Carwin TKO'd people, Ngannou knocks them dead.

One need simply look at the level of competition that Ngannou has flatlined vs the random nobody's that Carwin could not even sleep.

Carwin hit Lesnar with everything he had and couldn't finish him, you think Ngannou if Ngannou hit Lesnar that many times he couldn't finish him?

Not to mention JDS turned Carwin's face into hamburger meat and retired him, meanwhile Ngannou finished JDS with an off balanced akward shot from behind.

Ngannou's power is leagues ahead of Carwin's, this shouldn't even be debatable.

That's a much much much mucho much much different JDS man.

I agree with you that Ngannou hits harder but IMO that's not a good reason why

 

[TheMaster]

arguably the two hardest-hitting HW's in MMA history...

who would you say hits harder though?

Carwin was scarier in the power department.
But JDS showed the way to beat him with boxing.