Ngannou with the R1 KO over Jon Jones

[icemun]

It was a USADA conspiracy to protect Jones even though USADA's the one who took Jones positive tests in the first place. These peoples elevators don't go all the way to the top.

Man it says something about the social climate or the intelligence of some people.

Like those people who want heart transplates but dont trust medical science for vaccines in order to get it.

It's a head scratching level of stupid

 

[r-harper-1]

I don't see anyone saying anything disrespectful about Georges.

Honestly….if someone ranks GSP as the Goat …..I have no issue with it …..extremely worthy candidate

 

[melans]

He took masking agents to try and cover it up, he’s a juice head. Deal with it

What masking agents did he take?
Please post a link.

 

[Cracked_Rib]

In its 21 years of operation, it’s reasonable to think that USADA is experienced enough in chemistry, pharmacology, and doping in the context of sports to interpret the data available to them.

It's just as reasonable to think that Jon cheated intentionally, your appeal to authority is utterly senseless. If not, how exactly does USADAs experience in doping correlate and translate into mind reading and factually knowing an individuals intentions? Is there some new mind-probing-science out and if so, why isn't it used in the court of law?

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

It's just as reasonable to think that Jon cheated intentionally, your appeal to authority is utterly senseless.

I never said Jon didn’t cheat, just that USADA said he didn’t

And one doesn’t have to be psychic to establish intent. If that were the case, all trials by jury are functionally worthless

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

DQ is a loss, but not a legitimate defeat

He defeated himself.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Not a Jones fan at all, but lets not strech it... that DQ was bullshit Jones is undefeated inside the cage

2 ways to look at things:

A) His record has a loss on it, to Hamill. It's right there, it exists. He's not undefeated.

B) Sure, it's in his record, but let's be realistic. That loss was bullshit. It shouldn't have happened. He should have won that fight.
....
And his win over Reyes was also bullshit, let's be realistic. It shouldn't have happened. He should have lost that fight. He's not undefeated.


Take your pick

 

[kflo]

It's just as reasonable to think that Jon cheated intentionally, your appeal to authority is utterly senseless. If not, how exactly does USADAs experience in doping correlate and translate into mind reading and factually knowing an individuals intentions? Is there some new mind-probing-science out and if so, why isn't it used in the court of law?

if there is a low probability of performance enhancing benefits there is a low probability of intent. especially if there is a high risk (in the case of tbol, high probability of getting caught) for low reward.

"not a drug cheat" is intended only in context of the specific flagged sample. it doesn't mean the athlete was never a drug cheat. they used the same language with josh barnett for example.......

 

[HaulParris]

Sal D'Amato scored it 10-8 for Jones

 

[SlomiGa]

DQ is a loss, but not a legitimate defeat

It's more legit than some of his actual wins.

 

[Captain Herb]

Filing for arbitration costs $2,500 and can be refundable depending on what happens next. It’s obviously worth it and affordable if you feel you can prove innocence.

The large part of the cost is the salaries of the three arbitrators. In Jones' case they were getting paid $325/hr each. that fits with another figure I saw of 10-15k total cost. Those costs were all paid by the fighter at that time, unless the UFC wanted to chip in on it which, in Jon's case, they did.

https://www.mmamania.com/2016/11/1/...attorney-happy-nsac-doping-daniel-cormier-ufc

 

[kflo]

The large part of the cost is the salaries of the three arbitrators. In Jones' case they were getting paid $325/hr each. that fits with another figure I saw of 10-15k total cost. Those costs were all paid by the fighter at that time, unless the UFC wanted to chip in on it which, in Jon's case, they did.

https://www.mmamania.com/2016/11/1/...attorney-happy-nsac-doping-daniel-cormier-ufc

the cost is always paid by the ufc. my recollection is they split with the athlete when there is an acceleration of the timeline. the ufc didn't just choose to chip in.

(and i was just looking at that same page....)

 

[Captain Herb]

the cost is always paid by the ufc. my recollection is they split with the athlete when there is an acceleration of the timeline. the ufc didn't just choose to chip in.

If the cost was always paid by the UFC then every fighter would have gone through the arbitration loophole on their dime and no one would have ever complained that they couldn't afford it

 

[kflo]

If the cost was always paid by the UFC then every fighter would have gone through the arbitration loophole on their dime and no one would have ever complained that they couldn't afford it

again, the fee is $2500. it's in the policy and has been that since 2016.

and i found the actual facts:
https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/10...-of-upcoming-changes-to-arbitration-rules-mma

McLaren Global Sports Solutions (MGSS) will administer the arbitration rules with Richard McClaren serving as the Chief Arbitrator. It will be McClaren that appoints the arbitrator from a list kept by MGSS. A fighter or USADA can also request that a panel of three arbitrators, instead of a single arbitrator, be used. These too are chosen from McLaren’s list. With a panel, the decision will be based on majority vote.

If it’s the fighter that requests a panel of three arbitrators, they will be required to split the cost of the additional arbitrators with the UFC. Arbitrators are compensated at $325 an hour.
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[Captain Herb]

again, the fee is $2500. it's in the policy and has been that since 2016.

and i found the actual facts:
https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/10...-of-upcoming-changes-to-arbitration-rules-mma

McLaren Global Sports Solutions (MGSS) will administer the arbitration rules with Richard McClaren serving as the Chief Arbitrator. It will be McClaren that appoints the arbitrator from a list kept by MGSS. A fighter or USADA can also request that a panel of three arbitrators, instead of a single arbitrator, be used. These too are chosen from McLaren’s list. With a panel, the decision will be based on majority vote.

If it’s the fighter that requests a panel of three arbitrators, they will be required to split the cost of the additional arbitrators with the UFC. Arbitrators are compensated at $325 an hour.
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How much does the fighter pay if there's only one arbitrator? This McClaren guy is either a rube or just in it for the money. I liked when he said 'I talked to the young man, he seemed very nice and honest so I believe that he never took the supplements on purpose'. I guess all you have to do is dress up and be on your best behavior, no matter the evidence against you

 

[Dutchman101]

 

[kflo]

How much does the fighter pay if there's only one arbitrator? This McClaren guy is either a rube or just in it for the money. I liked when he said 'I talked to the young man, he seemed very nice and honest so I believe that he never took the supplements on purpose'. I guess all you have to do is dress up and be on your best behavior, no matter the evidence against you

again, they pay the $2,500 fee. that's it. ufc pays the rest. and the $2,500 is refundable depending on how far the process goes.

And not sure why you are using quotations for something that is not a quote.

This is what is in the agreement:

44. Mr. Jones’ negative test results from July 6 and July 7 appear to be consistent with Mr. Jones’ contention that a therapeutic dose of an anabolic agent did not cause his positive test on July 28.

45. Additionally, the regular spacing of tests on Mr. Jones from December through July 7, 2017, all of which were negative, appears consistent with Mr. Jones’ contention that he did not engage in a systematic doping regimen using oral turinabol or anything other anabolic agent whose use can be detected through identification of the M3 metabolite.
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I know you want to suggest it was only the words of jones that was the basis for the conclusions above and not the supporting information…..

 

[Captain Herb]

again, they pay the $2,500 fee. that's it. ufc pays the rest. and the $2,500 is refundable depending on how far the process goes.

And not sure why you are using quotations for something that is not a quote.

This is what is in the agreement:

44. Mr. Jones’ negative test results from July 6 and July 7 appear to be consistent with Mr. Jones’ contention that a therapeutic dose of an anabolic agent did not cause his positive test on July 28.

45. Additionally, the regular spacing of tests on Mr. Jones from December through July 7, 2017, all of which were negative, appears consistent with Mr. Jones’ contention that he did not engage in a systematic doping regimen using oral turinabol or anything other anabolic agent whose use can be detected through identification of the M3 metabolite.
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I know you want to suggest it was only the words of jones that was the basis for the conclusions above and not the supporting information…..

No, this was the first one. The Clomiphene and Letrozole. As far as the fee being the only thing the fighter pays, unless they request 3 judges, looks like that is correct.

 

[kflo]

No, this was the first one. The Clomiphene and Letrozole. As far as the fee being the only thing the fighter pays, unless they request 3 judges, looks like that is correct.

then why are you attributing the quote to mclaren?

 

[Captain Herb]

then why are you attributing the quote to mclaren?

He did make those comments after the first arb. To the media, maybe.