Ngannou is NOT Derek Lewis

[elbowsandwiches]

this thread is moot once the pico-king throws his hat back into the ring

 

[Stixx]

Stipe doesn't have the defense like Gane

Most people are picking Gane over francis because of Ganes defense

I agree, he doesn’t. Gane has stellar defense. My point was that Ngannou looked like a very different fighter vs. Stipe. I just have a feeling everyone is sleeping on him. It’s a 50/50 fight for me, but we will see what happens.

 

[tritestill]

Francis within first two

 

[Xoleth]

Cut the BS. You say Lewis is more durable because he has faced powerful punchers and not "old JDS"...when he faced the exact same old JDS and got destroyed.
Which powerful puncher in his prime has Lewis faced?
Hunt, way mast his prime and Lewis got finished.
Ngannou, nothing happened.
JDS, past his prime you said, Lewis got smoked.
Nelson, past his prime.
Travis Browne, past his prime

Volkov, Tybura, Ivanov, Latifi, Shamil, Gane are not powerful punchers.

So being less efficient is a proof of better cardio... sherdog logics at its finest.

OK, dude

Let's take Ngannou's wins in UFC
- Henrique - so good, he got cut from UFC
- Blaydes - no comment, good win
- Bojan - 0-3 in UFC, got cut, 10-6 record
- Hamilton - 3-7 in UFC, got cut
- Arlo - a guy who was 0-3 before the Ngannou fight, a guy who hasn't finished someone since 2015
- Reem - Reem is legit, even old and out of his prime, did the dumbest mistake vs Ngannou before being decapitated
- Cain - for fuck sake, look at one single interview with Cain before that fight, he looked like a 50 year old guy coming in for a paycheck, he looked as bad as Nick Diaz in the cage vs Lawler 2
- JDS - yes, out of his prime and did a very, very dumb move before getting KTFO
- Roz - no comment, good win
- Stipe - who came in underweight looking like a LHW, but yeah, great win

Sure, on paper, this looks great... wow, he beat Arlo, Reem, Cain & JDS


Lewis faced Hunt, who was a powerful puncher, even at his age and out of his prime. He didn't look like Cain or Arlo in the cage, but you only look at age, not at their performance
Daukaus is a young guy who finished most of his fights by TKO
Yeah, Roy was out of his prime
Latifi is a tough guy, who had a few KOs in UFC
And wow, Ngannou - Lewis beat him


Better cardio
Better
= 'better than Ngannou's cardio'
Yeah, being more efficient with your energy and finishing opponents in R3 or R4 or going to decisions and win them = better cardio than Ngannou
hard to understand?

 

[calexus]

Apart from omitting the Ngannou Lewis debacle, you don’t say nothing but questionable things

 

[spinup]

Better cardio
Better
= 'better than Ngannou's cardio'
Yeah, being more efficient with your energy and finishing opponents in R3 or R4 or going to decisions and win them = better cardio than Ngannou
hard to understand?

Sure bud.... and I have better cardio than Usain bolt because I last 15sec to run 100m and he only lasts 10s.
You see how dumb it is now?

 

[maximus__]

I'm seeing more and more this sentiment that since Cyril clowned BB, he's gonna do the same to Ngannou. Where the fuck is that coming from?

Ngannou has significantly better technical striking than Lewis, and is far faster and more durable. I don't think we've even seen him rocked, and he crossed the cage in a heartbeat to take out Roz.

Gane is going to have to fight an absolutely perfect game for at least 3 rounds, but more likely 5 as ngannou has never been stopped.

As an aside to that, Cyril is an awesome kickboxer for a HW, but his defense is based on his footwork and reach. He keeps his hands low and doesn't move his head much, and that seems like a bad recipe against Ngannou.

All in all, cyril definitely has a solid chance at winning, but writing off Ngannou is absolute insanity.

 

[immyaxl]

It's the norm when an Ngannou fight is booked, "he's another derrick lewis sloppy brawler, this time he's going to get exposed by the more technical fighter", just for him to get yet another highlight reel lmao

Such a funny cycle, can't wait till Ngannou KO's Cyril

He is a sloppy untechnical brawler. He's fortunate to fight in an era were most of the other top Heavyweights have the exact same skill set he does.

 

[immyaxl]

Ppl forget Ngannou got 4 wins by submission..

Who were these grappling wizards he subbed?

 

[Sanserif]

He is a sloppy untechnical brawler. He's fortunate to fight in an era were most of the other top Heavyweights have the exact same skill set he does.

Ngannou has scored almost all his knockouts through countering his opponent while his opponent was attempting to strike him. In other words he managed to evade the strike and counter instantly with a ko. Practically the only fight where he knocked out his opponent rhrough a windmills attack was rozenstruik and yet thais the fight most people seem to remember. Ngannou has excellent punching technique in fact and he counters with great precision- just three examples being against arlovski, overeem and miocic where he managed to find the moving target with pin point accuracy and fight ending power.

 

[TriangleMonkey]

One bad distance read from Gane and its lights out if Frank is fighting with any meaning.

 

[joeson]

Gane himself disagrees with the comparison. In an interview he said that Francis is much faster,more skilled and athletic than BB. From a game plan standpoint, he thinks Rozenstruik is a better comparison . Gane fought a much more conservative gameplan vs Rozenstruik. He stayed at kicking range or was trying to take him down. He avoided standing in the pocket and long combinations . It was an exceptionally boring fight. I expect the same vs Ngannou .

 

[Megatronlee]

I never use mmath and I find it hard to take anybody seriously that does. I think the basic comparison is that they both have one punch power. Other than that I see no direct comparison between the two. In fact, I think they are almost polar opposites in almost any metric you choose to use.

Im glad nobody liked this dumb ass quote

 

[Bradillac]

Gane leaves himself to be hit. BB had so many openings that he didn't capitalize on. Gane is fucked against a great counterstriker like Ngannou. I guess it comes down to if Gane is able to take Ngannou down and keep him there, since he obviously isn't winning a striking match against him.

 

[spinup]

Ngannou has excellent punching technique in fact and he counters with great precision- just three examples being against arlovski, overeem and miocic where he managed to find the moving target with pin point accuracy and fight ending power.

The JDS one was pretty cool too : jab to trigger the big overhand from JDS, pullback counter with a large left hook, follows with a right hook, then drops him with a righ hook from behind.
JDS missed and all 3 punches from Ngannou connected.

 

[10000yearsold]

I actually think that lewis is more tactical and better at setting up the knock out

I get the impression often that Ngannou's technique is spoiled by the fortune of his power. The problem there is when people start getting as big as him and have superior technique. If you don't go to sleep from one of his chaotic melee's, you stand a very good chance at catching him with the momentum of his coming forward. It's really just a matter of time before someone has the physicality to contend with him and hits back, or better yet takes his bum-grappling-ass down.
it's just another short in the epic tale of the fighter who falls foolishly in love with their power. When it doesn't work, the dream is over.

I know it sounds like I'm hating on Ngannou, but it's not so personal. It just upsets me to see the top of my favorite sport punctuated by a messy striker with stupid power. I came for the 170lb giant killer with brilliance in technique, who champions brains over brawn.

 

[amok attitude]

I'm seeing more and more this sentiment that since Cyril clowned BB, he's gonna do the same to Ngannou. Where the fuck is that coming from?

Ngannou has significantly better technical striking than Lewis, and is far faster and more durable. I don't think we've even seen him rocked, and he crossed the cage in a heartbeat to take out Roz.

Gane is going to have to fight an absolutely perfect game for at least 3 rounds, but more likely 5 as ngannou has never been stopped.

As an aside to that, Cyril is an awesome kickboxer for a HW, but his defense is based on his footwork and reach. He keeps his hands low and doesn't move his head much, and that seems like a bad recipe against Ngannou.

All in all, cyril definitely has a solid chance at winning, but writing off Ngannou is absolute insanity.

I like Ciryl and...i like your post too.
It will be a good one.

 

[joeson]

Gane leaves himself to be hit. BB had so many openings that he didn't capitalize on. Gane is fucked against a great counterstriker like Ngannou. I guess it comes down to if Gane is able to take Ngannou down and keep him there, since he obviously isn't winning a striking match against him.

Gane takes risks proportionate to the danger his opponent presents. He took bigger risks vs BB because Lewis is predictable. Same with some of his opponents earlier in his career. Gane would throw a barrage of wide looping punches which looked like it would leave him open to being countered but vs Rozenstruik he threw nothing but straight punches and barely 2 together. Instead he would stand at kicking range and only jumped into punching range for one or two strikes before jumping back out.

I expect Gane to fight even more conservatively vs Ngannou. Francis is faster and has more range than Rozenstuik. Gane will either be all the way in or all the way out. I expect him to use kicks to attack the body and to keep range. He’ll test Ngannou’s TDD. If it is lacking, he’ll look to sub Francis. If Gane can’t take or keep him down, he’ll pick apart Ngannou from the outside, using his footwork to avoid the rushes.

Ngannou will need to cut off the cage and fight more like he did vs Stipe to win vs Gane. If he fights a reactive counter striking game, Gane will pick him apart. As fast as Ngannou is, Gane is faster and has much better footwork.

 

[Sanserif]

I get the impression often that Ngannou's technique is spoiled by the fortune of his power. The problem there is when people start getting as big as him and have superior technique. If you don't go to sleep from one of his chaotic melee's, you stand a very good chance at catching him with the momentum of his coming forward. It's really just a matter of time before someone has the physicality to contend with him and hits back, or better yet takes his bum-grappling-ass down.
it's just another short in the epic tale of the fighter who falls foolishly in love with their power. When it doesn't work, the dream is over.

I know it sounds like I'm hating on Ngannou, but it's not so personal. It just upsets me to see the top of my favorite sport punctuated by a messy striker with stupid power. I came for the 170lb giant killer with brilliance in technique, who champions brains over brawn.

You shouldn't be upset then because Ngannou has excellent striking technique and hits very cleanly - that's where his power comes from along with his musculature. Just rewatch his ko reel highlights and u will notice that he almost always ko his opponent on the counter, WHILE SLIPPING OR EVADING HIS OPPONENT'S PUNCH and sometimes while his opponent is already pre emptively trying to slip to the side to evade his counter that they know is coming. And yet his counter manages to find their elusive head every time.

The only "chaotic melee" that u can recall him engaging in was the rozenstruik fight but due to that, everyone here seems to have gotten amnesia and forgotten all his other ko and only ever remembers that ko.

As for taking him down, three really good grappplers tried and failed and got knocked out (in one case twice) - blaydes, miocic and velasquez. Face it - the ngannou today is a very good fighter blessed not only with preternatural power but also with excellent technique and that's why he has won so easily.

The reason why the upcoming fight is so anticipated is because finally there is a heavyweight who has the footwork, skill level and fight iq of an elite kickboxer and who moves with the lightness and speed of a fighter in a lighter division and who is actually even slightly taller than ngannou is. While he doesn't hit as hard, he has the ability to hit most opponents seemingly at will as he is on a higher level skill wise. Put it simple, gane is probably the most skilful striker any mma heavyweight division has ever seen. So here we have the collision between an immovable object and an irresistible force & whatever the result, it will be very interesting and may be a fight for the ages.

 

[Sanserif]

Gane takes risks proportionate to the danger his opponent presents. He took bigger risks vs BB because Lewis is predictable. Same with some of his opponents earlier in his career. Gane would throw a barrage of wide looping punches which looked like it would leave him open to being countered but vs Rozenstruik he threw nothing but straight punches and barely 2 together. Instead he would stand at kicking range and only jumped into punching range for one or two strikes before jumping back out.

I expect Gane to fight even more conservatively vs Ngannou. Francis is faster and has more range than Rozenstuik. Gane will either be all the way in or all the way out. I expect him to use kicks to attack the body and to keep range. He’ll test Ngannou’s TDD. If it is lacking, he’ll look to sub Francis. If Gane can’t take or keep him down, he’ll pick apart Ngannou from the outside, using his footwork to avoid the rushes.

Ngannou will need to cut off the cage and fight more like he did vs Stipe to win vs Gane. If he fights a reactive counter striking game, Gane will pick him apart. As fast as Ngannou is, Gane is faster and has much better footwork.

You make some good points. I am not convinced though that gane will try to take him down as he would be uncertain about how good ngannou is on the ground now and the brief but shocking event during their first round when ngannou reversed miocic and took him down instead would have made lopez quite uncertain as to how good he would have become.