Ngannou has deadly counters [gifs]

Against Ngannou it was the worst punch by a mile compared to other gifs. Announced what he would throw like a beginner, completely out of balance after the shot and not even able to pivot / sidestep out.

His delusions about himself (wants to fight Wilder) really are breath taking.
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He looked like a demented old man turning his back to Ngannou and trying to just walk away WITHOUT defense. Better quit and call it a career.
 
frandie2b said:
Well it paid of many times for JDS.
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Other than the Cain fight I haven't really seen it pay off to much. Sure he lands it but I feel that his other style that he was building up with straight punches to the body and head was much better and safer overall. Especially don't do this against KO artist at the very least. Save it for wrestlers like Cain.
 
method115 said:
It's a dumb strike to throw period. You put yourself off balance just to try and land one hard strike. It's not worth it.
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No its not, this is MMA thats all it takes with these gloves and unlike boxing you can clinch up or go for the takedown from that off balanced position, Fedor even re balances himself with the next punch if he cant secure the takedown. You are not up to speed with MMA you only know boxing which is a different way to strike. In MMA with the small gloves its is a smart way to punch (since small gloves not only make your offence stronger but your defense weaker and you can go for takedowns after)
 
The overhand is still the awesome high % strike its always been esp in MMA these guys are just so afraid of Ngannu and he also has a reach advantage and he has an adept way of defending the OH that they shot it off too early (not close enough)
 
Matt1999 said:
No its not, this is MMA thats all it takes with these gloves and unlike boxing you can clinch up or go for the takedown from that off balanced position, Fedor even re balances himself with the next punch if he cant secure the takedown. You are not up to speed with MMA you only know boxing which is a different way to strike. In MMA with the small gloves its is a smart way to punch (since small gloves not only make your offence stronger but your defense weaker and you can go for takedowns after)
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Even if all it takes is 1 punch it's not worth throwing yourself off balance to try and land it. It's best to rely on technique instead of exposing yourself. Except JDS never goes for the clinch or TD after the punch so even if that was something he could do (he couldn't) it's still bad to throw it. JDS couldn't go for a TD here he threw himself so off balance here that his foot was still off the ground while he was being countered. I'm up to speed in MMA and it's why you don't see any of the best strikers in the world throwing punches like this. Even when GSP tried to implement it he didn't throw himself off balance like this.
 
method115 said:
It's a dumb strike to throw period. You put yourself off balance just to try and land one hard strike. It's not worth it.
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method115 said:
Even if all it takes is 1 punch it's not worth throwing yourself off balance to try and land it. It's best to rely on technique instead of exposing yourself. Except JDS never goes for the clinch or TD after the punch so even if that was something he could do (he couldn't) it's still bad to throw it. JDS couldn't go for a TD here he threw himself so off balance here that his foot was still off the ground while he was being countered. I'm up to speed in MMA and it's why you don't see any of the best strikers in the world throwing punches like this. Even when GSP tried to implement it he didn't throw himself off balance like this.
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Wrong, again MMA is different and the disadvantage you talk about mostly applies to boxing or pure striking. Its a very safe and effective way to throw the overhand and thats why its such a high % strike in MMA and the best fighters keep doing it over and over again with success.
 
method115 said:
It's a dumb strike to throw period. You put yourself off balance just to try and land one hard strike. It's not worth it.
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It's not hard to throw an overhand without ending up off balance and out of position afterward. You just can't throw it from a mile away as hard as you possibly can with no setup or thought about what you're going to do if it doesn't land.

I watch some pretty talented boxers drill that punch in combinations regularly. It looks nothing like what JDS did. They don't whiff so hard that their back foot comes off the floor and lunge forward into a square stance with their head over their toes and face pointed toward the ground. They keep their legs underneath them while throwing it and are still in position to follow up with the left hook whether the overhand lands or not.

There are correct and incorrect ways to throw any strike. There are definitely safer punches, but you can't say that it's a dumb strike to throw full stop. You can throw yourself just as off balance with a jab, cross or hook if your technique is as bad as JDS's was.
 
These guys are afraid of the counter vs Francis and I dont blame them. They try to strike and get out of the pocket at the same time.

It gives Francis even more time and makes them pay.
 
If the disadvantage applies to boxing\pure striking then it also applies to MMA. As long as to people are only striking then the disadvantage applies. As we just saw with JDS.
 
OCEANCIDAL said:
It's not hard to throw an overhand without ending up off balance and out of position afterward. You just can't throw it from a mile away as hard as you possibly can with no setup or thought about what you're going to do if it doesn't land.

I watch some pretty talented boxers drill that punch in combinations regularly. It looks nothing like what JDS did. They don't whiff so hard that their back foot comes off the floor and lunge forward into a square stance with their head over their toes and face pointed toward the ground. They keep their legs underneath them while throwing it and are still in position to follow up with the left hook whether the overhand lands or not.

There are correct and incorrect ways to throw any strike. There are definitely safer punches, but you can't say that it's a dumb strike to throw full stop. You can throw yourself just as off balance with a jab, cross or hook if your technique is as bad as JDS's was.
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I can agree with this. I've seen GSP try to implement this strike against Shields and he did it much better than this.
 
He can take a shot as well, which helps. That punch to the ear Overeem landed on him would have wobbled many heavyweight. Anne Gonno didn't even notice it and send Overeem to the moon with that left and when he came back drilled him to China with that hammerfist.
 
Mammothman said:
Seriously what the hell Reem was trying to do? I like the guy a lot but I'm kinda happy he got badly slept for throwing that shitty strikes specially against a murder like Ngannou, hopefully he learned the lesson
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He's still learning how to walk and talk again. The lesson will hopefully come later.
 
method115 said:
Other than the Cain fight I haven't really seen it pay off to much. Sure he lands it but I feel that his other style that he was building up with straight punches to the body and head was much better and safer overall. Especially don't do this against KO artist at the very least. Save it for wrestlers like Cain.
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You couldn’t be more correct, JDS was a different animal when he was using his superior boxing to beat opponents ( straight right to the body, as you said, was arguably his best punch ) I think the Cain fight ruined him. He got that quick knockout and fell in love with his power instead of his technique and ability to keep the opponent guessing.
 
I was just thinking the same thing.

People act like power is all Francis has but it’s not. He has power for sure and is arguably one of the best punchers MMA has ever seen but his setups and counters are lethal.

Is he well rounded? No. That being said, he’s still the most dangerous striker in the sport
 
People typically mention only his power but he has underrated punching skill. He has a good sense of where someone is about to move their head.
 
You're absolutely right that Francis is a fantastic heavyweight counterpuncher with great footwork for his size. I think the fact that he's a giant ripped African guy leads people to underestimate his legit standup technique. Some will argue that guys like JDS and Overeem fought scared and threw blindly at him but whatever. How other people choose to fight him isn't Francis's fault. He takes what they give him and he's shown that if you present him with counter opportunities, he'll seize them.
 
Fracis better learn to protect his head while swinging, otherwise it's gonna be enter sandman.
 
DespicablePeep said:
From the gifs I saw he countered bad shots that were thrown a mile away, thats not incredible reflexes/counters. Also JDS against Cain and Hunt threw a combination before the over hand, against Ngannou he threw from out of range and not even setting up.

Just stop
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They think Lobov's a great striker now too, you're wasting your time.
 
Kevin Lee said on JRE that he just finds your chin. Scary.
 
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