Ngannou extremely difficult to work with?

[NoSmilez]

You clearly don't know your UFC history

I honestly can’t recall. It’s late but I am pretty sure the UFC didn’t attempt to even match or block their contracts any further. They just let them go. Are there any more high profile fighters that the UFC just let go? Please aware me.

 

[chardog]

You clearly don't know your UFC history

I don’t even understand what this means

 

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I don't know him, and he's pretty quiet as far as internet promotion and commentary goes. Creative Artist Agency are his agents. I do not know much about them either. But usually when it comes down to how fighters carry themselves in negotiation, it is more down to their council than the the fighter's ego. Fighter's have to look out for themselves and will likely have MASSIVELY less income than they finish fighting after they have retired. If they were champion it's almost a guarantee.

On the other side.....See how your ego is if every time you sit down to talk about money it's in relation to beating the shit out of another guy.

I think he has made a terrible choice. I thought this before this situation came about.

As soon as I saw him in the ring with Fury after the Whyte fight ... barely able to talk looking confused as fuck I knew these guys would eat him alive. And they have.

Every single mainstream promoter has been able to get him to advertise their brand by association without even paying him to do it. I don't believe any of them were serious. He WILL fight someone and make good money. But I highly doubt it will be a big hitter in boxing.

What Dana White said was typical and likely not quite true as it was put out there. But there IS some truth in there

But the bottom line is, the money he would make at the UFC would be harder earned than anywhere else. With bum knees too. And a boss who seems pretty obvious can't stand you. It's not an insult to say that either.... no one wants to work harder than they have ever worked only to be publicly ridiculed by you so called"boss"

I can see why somebody would look elsewhere... especially when the UFC are trying to get you to sign with them until you are 40, thus seeing you basically fight out the rest of your career with them.

I just think the angle this agency are using does not play to francis' strengths. They clearly DID NOT do their homework before walking away from the UFC. If they had have done, he would be in pre fight promotion as we speak.

Unless his knees are REALLY fucked and he needs an extra year and this is just a rouse ... The everything I've just written is redundant.

EDIT.. Added

And for fight fans to say he has robbed us of a fight is fucking awful. We're robbing him of years of his life and we laugh when he loses. I don't even pay to watch them FFS.

The narrative here is so off key to me.

 

[NoSmilez]

I don't know him, and he's pretty quiet as far as internet promotion and commentary goes. Creative Artist Agency are his agents. I do not know much about them either. But usually when it comes down to how fighters carry themselves in negotiation, it is more down to their council than the the fighter's ego. Fighter's have to look out for themselves and will likely have MASSIVELY less income than they do fighting after they have retired. If they were champion it's almost a guarantee.

In the other side.....See how your ego is if every time you sit down to talk about money it's in relation to beating the shit out of another guy.

I think he has made a terrible choice. I thought this before this situation came about.

As soon as I saw him in the ring with Fury after the Whyte fight ... barely able to talk looking confused as fuck I knew these guys would eat him alive. And they have.

Every single mainstream promoter has been able to get him to advertise their brand by association without even paying him to do it. I don't believe any of them were serious. He will fight someone and make good money.

But I highly doubt it will be a big hitter in boxing.

What Dana White said was typical and likely not quite true as it was put out there. But there IS some truth in there

But the bottom line is, the money he would make at the UFC would be harder earned than anywhere else. With bum knees too. And a boss who seems pretty obvious can't stand you. It's not an insult to say that either.... no one wants to work harder than they have ever worked only to be publicly ridiculed by you so called"boss"

I can see why somebody would look elsewhere... especially when the UFC are trying to get you to sign with them until you are 40, thus seeing you basically fight out the rest of your career with them.

I just think the angle this agency are using does not play to francis' strengths. They clearly DID NOT do their homework before walking away from the UFC. If they had have done, he would be in pre fight promotion as we speak.

Unless his knees are REALLY fucked and he needs an extra year and this is just a rouse ... The everything I've just written is redundant.

He isn't with that agency. His manager was with that agency and left to form his own gig. Francis left with him but he has since left the manager as well to do the negotiations on his own. I am leaning towards him being a little difficult to work with because of that. We know Dana is a petty human being. He didn't try to hold Francis for longer. The promotion ended up just "releasing" Francis without attempting to entertain a matching period. Francis countered with the UFC couldn't match what he wanted anyways from other potential promoters. Now the promoter for BKFC is saying Francis wants too much. I believe Francis is dead set on boxing and that is the only sport that can pay him what he wants.

 

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I don't know him, and he's pretty quiet as far as internet promotion and commentary goes. Creative Artist Agency are his agents.

No CAA has closed their combat sport division, because they got pretty much blacklisted by the UFC.

He isn't with that agency. His manager was with that agency and left to form his own gig. Francis left with him but he has since left the manager as well to do the negotiations on his own. I am leaning towards him being a little difficult to work with because of that.

Marquel Martin is still working with Ngannou, but not really as manager, I think he has always been working more on the sponsorship side of the business anyway.

 

[Goutfather]

Do you think Ngannou might be extremely difficult to work with?

It seems he keeps getting on everyone’s bad side. He got into with his former coach and after his coach tried to bury the hatchet, by saying they should be civil, Francis goes and cuss his former coach out.

“"What the f*** is that? Father to who? Screw him. I don't play that game. I know exactly what he's planning, he's not a son of s***. He's nothing,"
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/othe...n=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target

Then, Ngannou gets into with Dana with his demands on contract negotiations, then eventually, he fired his manager or his manager quits, I don’t think it’s ever explained how Ngannou ended up representing himself.

And now Dana is saying how he doesn’t want Ngannou back in the UFC.

Anyone think that Ngannou behind the scenes might be extremely difficult to work with? He’s lost his former coach, his former manager and his former boss.

At some point you’d think the common link in all of these falling outs is Big Frank. I think when he cussed out his coach, it revealed a dark true side of Francis.

he is not smart, that’s his problem. when it comes to business, he is like a big heavy stone that needs to be carried everywhere, but he doesn’t realize it. he has little to no understanding of the planning and preparation that other people put into their successful business dealings. he expects people to do things for him that he can’t (or won’t) do for himself. as a result, he has very unrealistic expectations, and it becomes very tiresome for the people around him. his dealings with the ufc are a good example, but if you look around you can see that it’s the same story across the board.

 

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He isn't with that agency. His manager was with that agency and left to form his own gig. Francis left with him but he has since left the manager as well to do the negotiations on his own. I am leaning towards him being a little difficult to work with because of that. We know Dana is a petty human being. He didn't try to hold Francis for longer. The promotion ended up just "releasing" Francis without attempting to entertain a matching period. Francis countered with the UFC couldn't match what he wanted anyways from other potential promoters. Now the promoter for BKFC is saying Francis wants too much. I believe Francis is dead set on boxing and that is the only sport that can pay him what he wants.

No CAA has closed their combat sport division, because they got pretty much blacklisted by the UFC.


Marquel Martin is still working with Ngannou, but not really as manager, I think he has always been working more on the sponsorship side of the business anyway.

Ok. I stand corrected on the Agent's name. But I still stand by the fact that everyone is getting their unpaid pound of flesh off him. I fell bad for him in all truth. A fighter without a fight is unemployed.

And I'm telling you. Someone who came up the way he was able to, did not do that alone. He will likely have a legion of mouths to feed as a result. I imagine he will do so willingly. But still. He will be a large number of people's reason for being at this moment.

I would not want that pressure at all.

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

I don’t even understand what this means

I honestly can’t recall. It’s late but I am pretty sure the UFC didn’t attempt to even match or block their contracts any further. They just let them go. Are there any more high profile fighters that the UFC just let go? Please aware me.

Frank Shamrock, off the top of my head.
Mark Hunt, Wanderlei, perhaps BJ Penn?

 

[Crash-override]

Since when has Dana been easy to work with? In the media where Dana can shape the narrative without ever being questioned, he's never wrong and always right.

Fernand was angling for the spotlight when he was coaching Francis and was more concerned about supposed loyalty and not Francis improving. Lopez went out of his way to shit on Francis at every opportunity in the media and even used Cyril as a pawn for his own agenda. Francis never spoke ill of him and instead stated he left to be his own man and get better as a fighter, going to a new camp and moving to the US.

Do I believe Francis is head strong, stubborn and determined which can offend some? I do. Do I think Ngannou has an incredible belief in himself along with the aforementioned, that got him out of the Salt mines and made him the Heavyweight Champion of the World? Yes. Do I think he's at fault in both of these instances? Some, but not much.

Fernand and Dana are well known problem people who never take blame for anything and constantly have issues with others. I'll side with the fighter here and not the fame hungry coach throwing petty shade or the greedy, self absorbed promoter who would do anything for a buck.

Whether he miscalculated his worth, he did nothing wrong. He stood up for what he believed in and asked for things back from the company that many probably should have before him. He has every right to take control of his career and make decisions on his own.

All that to get the bottom line of he ruined what he has left of his career because a over self worth and ego.

When or if he ever fights again he is gonna be a shell of himself, you are looking at 1 fight for years and acl tear almost a year and a half ago with no fight in sight and a bad wheel in his late 30's. He ruined his career fact is he would have made WAY!! More money if he wasn't such a diva and just fucking fought

Now he will be out close to 2 yrs coming g off knee surgery in his late 30's he did awesome

 

[Jitter]

Francis reminds me of Leveon Bell in football. The Steelers offered Bell a very good contact and he refused to sign. Statistically he was one of the best RBs in the game and could have been headed to the hall of fame. Bell sat out a year to become a free agent and ended up signing with the Jets for a little less money. He was terrible for the Jets and was released. He only played in 17 games for the Jets then played for 3 other teams in 3 yrs but was relegated to 3rd or 4th string and only appeared in 17 more games total.

 

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All that to get the bottom line of he ruined what he has left of his career because a over self worth and ego.

When or if he ever fights again he is gonna be a shell of himself, you are looking at 1 fight for years and acl tear almost a year and a half ago with no fight in sight and a bad wheel in his late 30's. He ruined his career fact is he would have made WAY!! More money if he wasn't such a diva and just fucking fought

Now he will be out close to 2 yrs coming g off knee surgery in his late 30's he did awesome

What's your logic here?
That he injured his knee because he did not renew his contract?
That if he had re signed with the UFC he would have come back in perfect shape?
That he could have fought 6 month after a knee surgery, but only in the UFC?

 

[Crash-override]

What's your logic here?
That he injured his knee because he did not renew his contract?
That if he had re signed with the UFC he would have come back in perfect shape?
That he could have fought 6 month after a knee surgery, but only in the UFC?

Bro, that's what you understand out of that? No, that's not even close to what i said... read better!

There's been issues about frank being difficult since 2017.

And that now has came back and screwed him over,
If he kept fighting more then once a year and built his name he would be making shit tons of cash plus all the money from 3 fights a year.

instead he went the other way was difficult and barely ever fought blew out his knee and still hasn't fought and probably won't for close to another yr.

This is a prime example of self sabotaging your own career, especially when he is so old and should have fighting and banking money for retirement

 

[Chagaev]

If he's difficult to deal with, the negotiations between him and Fury could be more entertaining than the match itself.

 

[spinup]

Bro, that's what you understand out of that? No, that's not even close to what i said... read better!

There's been issues about frank being difficult since 2017.

Difficult how?
Did he pull out of fights, miss weight, tested positive for PED, turn down opponents?
Did he get into a brawl backstage? Did he get arrested?

The only thing he did was refusing to renew his contract before completing it.

If he kept fighting more then once a year and built his name he would be making shit tons of cash plus all the money from 3 fights a year.

Sure, if you conveniently omit the UFC offering no fight during the DC-Stipe trilogy.
And the UFC making a stupid interim belt 5 months after he became champion.
And the knee injury that is no one's fault.

 

[CerebralKnievel]

I don’t even understand what this means

Sounds out the words.

 

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If more proof was needed, here is Ngannou again being difficult and arguing with his boss at Johnny Legends Mitsubishi. What a POS.

 

[haj02]

He's got a big ego, doesn't seem too bright, is disloyal and seemingly has people giving him terrible advice. The man has made his bed, let him lie in it.

 

[The Don]

Regarding the failed negotiations with the UFC, I think most of them were fair terms, asking for some things that were already present before. (Sponsors) But something the UFC just has turned away from.

With other organizations though, I doubt Francis will get the same offers he could have gotten with the UFC. UFC is just the biggest fish out there in MMA and only boxing can match the money he wants to make. The only problem is that Francis isn't a boxer and he doesn't have his bargaining chip anymore (at least on paper) of being the UFC Heavy weight champion.

 

[TerrorTimmy]

Not getting along with Dana is definitely not indicative of him being difficult. Dana is a prick and severely low balled him and refused him the opportunities he granted other fighters. That's a legit complaint.

As for the former coach - there's so much speculation on what happened and contradictory stories that I really don't think anyone other than the people involved actually know what happened, and I don't think any of them are being completely honest and transparent about it. Hasn't the coach had issues with other fighters as well?

I think Francis deserves to get paid, but I don't know how it's going to work out for him. Nobody wants a maverick like Francis to be successful because it opens the doors for others to do the same, and a lot of leverage and power will be taken from the orgs like UFC who try to keep everyone under their thumb

 

[TerrorTimmy]

Since when has Dana been easy to work with? In the media where Dana can shape the narrative without ever being questioned, he's never wrong and always right.

Fernand was angling for the spotlight when he was coaching Francis and was more concerned about supposed loyalty and not Francis improving. Lopez went out of his way to shit on Francis at every opportunity in the media and even used Cyril as a pawn for his own agenda. Francis never spoke ill of him and instead stated he left to be his own man and get better as a fighter, going to a new camp and moving to the US.

Do I believe Francis is head strong, stubborn and determined which can offend some? I do. Do I think Ngannou has an incredible belief in himself along with the aforementioned, that got him out of the Salt mines and made him the Heavyweight Champion of the World? Yes. Do I think he's at fault in both of these instances? Some, but not much.

Fernand and Dana are well known problem people who never take blame for anything and constantly have issues with others. I'll side with the fighter here and not the fame hungry coach throwing petty shade or the greedy, self absorbed promoter who would do anything for a buck.

Whether he miscalculated his worth, he did nothing wrong. He stood up for what he believed in and asked for things back from the company that many probably should have before him. He has every right to take control of his career and make decisions on his own.