Ngannou and Wilder are the living proofs that fighting isn't that much about technique!

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When you listen to some coaches, you get the impression that getting to black belt level in something (whether it's bjj, boxing, mt or whatever) is the same as becoming a PHD in something, you are now SO technical, you have SO much knowlege...
Then guys like Ngannou or Wilder with freakish power come in and proove that, while technique is certainly important, what matters A FUCKING LOT in fighting (especially striking) is aggressivity and power. Ngannou is the Fucking N1 contender in the HW division and has a 1st stripe white belt level on the ground (we saw it in the fight against Stipe, dude was literally laying down flat on his back doing Nothing) and is a swinging windmill on the feet.
Wilder became an Olympic medallist within 1.5 years of training...
 
GoatArtemLobov said:
When you listen to some coaches, you get the impression that getting to black belt level in something (whether it's bjj, boxing, mt or whatever) is the same as becoming a PHD in something, you are now SO technical, you have SO much knowlege...
Then guys like Ngannou or Wilder with freakish power come in and proove that, while technique is certainly important, what matters A FUCKING LOT in fighting (especially striking) is aggressivity and power. Ngannou is the Fucking N1 contender in the HW division and has a 1st stripe white belt level on the ground (we saw it in the fight against Stipe, dude was literally laying down flat on his back doing Nothing) and is a swinging windmill on the feet.
Wilder became an Olympic medallist within 1.5 years of training...
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Wilder's KO punches have good technique.
 
Good body mechanics and timing is also technique, even if it looks unconventional.
 
spacetime said:
Wilder's KO punches have good technique.
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No they don't. Which is why he generates that power with them. If he kept it tight and technical those hooks would have half the power.
 
They're outliers tho

If you don't have those genetics (most don't) gonna need some technique
 
Ngannou outweighs his opponents, KOs HWs with zero head and torso movement.

Wilder KOs legit boxers who outweight him.

Roz trained MMA for 2 years and destroyed Overeems face.
 
OneManGang said:
Good body mechanics and timing is also technique, even if it looks unconventional.
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You certainly need some understanding of technique, but it isn't as much of a deal that some say it is.
And this comes from a guy who has been boxing his whole life.
I'm sick with trainers acting like aerospace engineers, fighting isn't that technical, especially striking.
 
body mechanics are much different on a guy with Wilder's body proportions and explosiveness.

What's technical for your average boxer isn't technical for Wilder. His power shots use a different technique,
 
Heavyweight divison bro.

Give an example from any other weight class.
 
GoatArtemLobov said:
When you listen to some coaches, you get the impression that getting to black belt level in something (whether it's bjj, boxing, mt or whatever) is the same as becoming a PHD in something, you are now SO technical, you have SO much knowlege...
Then guys like Ngannou or Wilder with freakish power come in and proove that, while technique is certainly important, what matters A FUCKING LOT in fighting (especially striking) is aggressivity and power. Ngannou is the Fucking N1 contender in the HW division and has a 1st stripe white belt level on the ground (we saw it in the fight against Stipe, dude was literally laying down flat on his back doing Nothing) and is a swinging windmill on the feet.
Wilder became an Olympic medallist within 1.5 years of training...
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1. There isn't a black belt in boxing or muay thai
2. In bjj, it applies. Knowledge is very important. Steroids matter also, but still...
3. Examples. You have Wlad who dominated the division for many years, without having row KO power. And many other fighters. May, RJJ and so on... It's not like boxing mostly consists of KO power champions. Same in MMA. Usman, Adesanya, Khabib, Jones. Technique, grappling, hight IQ
 
Both those guys have insane athletic gifts. They're able to capitalize on any opening and finish the fight in an instant.
 
Neither of them have good tech, they just hit insanely hard and have speed.
 
It's not just striking though, it's everything. Juan Adams is a 300 lb guy that lifted weights and wrestled his whole life to be as strong and effective as possible at grappling and yet some guy who barely trained like Greg Hardy bitch tossed him on his head.
 
Oh yeah the extreme outliers prove that the norm is flawed....

Great logic. There is a reason 99.9% cant get away with stuff these guys can, because these guys are canons, and the majority arent.
 
Xoleth said:
1. There isn't a black belt in boxing or muay thai
2. In bjj, it applies. Knowledge is very important. Steroids matter also, but still...
3. Examples. You have Wlad who dominated the division for many years, without having row KO power. And many other fighters. May, RJJ and so on... It's not like boxing mostly consists of KO power champions. Same in MMA. Usman, Adesanya, Khabib, Jones. Technique, grappling, hight IQ
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Thank you, I didn't know that there isn't any belt in boxing and muay thai.
In bjj it applies for sure, it is actually the martial art where it matters most. But still raw strength plays a big role.
I never said that it didn't matter at all, it matters for sure, but strength and raw power matter way more than many say, and guys like Ngannou proove it.
 
Wilder and Ngannou got beat up by Fury and Miocic.

Two dudes with more technical ability.
 
GoatArtemLobov said:
When you listen to some coaches, you get the impression that getting to black belt level in something (whether it's bjj, boxing, mt or whatever) is the same as becoming a PHD in something, you are now SO technical, you have SO much knowlege...
Then guys like Ngannou or Wilder with freakish power come in and proove that, while technique is certainly important, what matters A FUCKING LOT in fighting (especially striking) is aggressivity and power. Ngannou is the Fucking N1 contender in the HW division and has a 1st stripe white belt level on the ground (we saw it in the fight against Stipe, dude was literally laying down flat on his back doing Nothing) and is a swinging windmill on the feet.
Wilder became an Olympic medallist within 1.5 years of training...
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He started training in 2005 and won an Olympic medal in 2008 (3 years, not 1.5) in a shallow division plagued of boxers with poor technique relying in their KO power, his amazing physical attributes for box helped him a lot, that could be impossible to achieve in a division from batamweight to middleweight
 
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