Ngannou and Wilder are the living proofs that fighting isn't that much about technique!

[ConorFacts]

Wilder lacks restraint more than technique (he throws at 100%), and it works for him because he's bigger and way more athletic than everyone else. This doesn't work for 100% of the human population (because he's not human), so this idea about technique not mattering in fights does not apply to you or anyone else.

Ngannou, if he was technical, wouldn't have lost fights he shouldn't have. So yes, he's still human and technique does matter.

In short, if you are as gifted as RJJ or Wilder then you might be able to make it to the top for a while, but even they would find greater success and easier wins with technique. And since 100% of people are NOT like that, then the OP does not actually apply.

The way he KOs much bigger man is crazy ... Wilder with a respectable Jab would be unstoppable.

A KO vs a much bigger guy is one thing, but a KO vs a much bigger and waaaaaaay more skilled guy is another thing.

 

[Reyesnuthugr]

The way he KOs much bigger man is crazy ... Wilder with a respectable Jab would be unstoppable.

A KO vs a much bigger guy is one thing, but a KO vs a much bigger and waaaaaaay more skilled guy is another thing.

Yeah it's no joke, very impressive.

Wilder wouldn't be able to do that if he didn't already have a decent amount of technical know how. When you're once-in-a-generation gifted athletically AND you have boxing skills (like Ali or Wilder or RJJ or Foreman) you can afford to start bending certain rules and get away with it against mortals. At that point, why not? If any of those guys didn't already know half-decent fundamentals, they couldn't have gone as far as they did with only their gifts alone.

Roy Jones Jr.'s abilities only lasted a year or two and after they started to fade, the contrast became stark and it was very obvious that he couldn't get away with winning anymore with his previous showoff style, yet he failed to adapt and never was a fraction of himself again.

It's ridiculous to say Wilder has no technique, that's like (but not as bad as) saying Ali had no technique because he broke so many rules. They break them because they can get away with it, not because athletes in general should or because it somehow makes them better than if they did things the right way.

Even Floyd Jr. breaks rules (especially when facing Conor) like pulling straight back. That only works if you're a lot more athletic and skilled than the other guy. He didn't try that with Manny Pacquiao much because when he started to try anything non-technical, he could feel his game collapsing while getting a little roughed up.

 

[Reyesnuthugr]

My brother works as a scientist at a large corporation that creates new needed materials for tech production. They have a history book about their company that they give to all their employees.

In the book it talks about a simple, rural farm fella with no degree of any kind who was made the head of their engineering team when the company started. He was their ROCKSTAR because even though he had no formal education, his intuition and ideas always solved their problems, so much so that he made fun of the engineers for having degrees while not being able to solve the company's problems, while he instinctively could.

Does this mean that engineering degrees will hold you back when trying to solve problems as a scientist? That would be the take-away to people who think like TS

 

[Al Stone]

When you listen to some coaches, you get the impression that getting to black belt level in something (whether it's bjj, boxing, mt or whatever) is the same as becoming a PHD in something, you are now SO technical, you have SO much knowlege...
Then guys like Ngannou or Wilder with freakish power come in and proove that, while technique is certainly important, what matters A FUCKING LOT in fighting (especially striking) is aggressivity and power. Ngannou is the Fucking N1 contender in the HW division and has a 1st stripe white belt level on the ground (we saw it in the fight against Stipe, dude was literally laying down flat on his back doing Nothing) and is a swinging windmill on the feet.
Wilder became an Olympic medallist within 1.5 years of training...

You do realize that using your power to knock people unconscious is a SKILL? Why do you think there is no damn World's Strongest Man dominating combat sports. It's really quite elementary.

 

[tramendous]

i think being in good shape is bullshit. guys like black beast and roy nelson prove this. i am sick and tired of coaches pretending you need to be in good shape to fight.