NFL Discussion: Draft Day 2 "Your can team still sucks"

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therealdope said:
And if those balls had all landed out of bounds he would still have 2 SB rings.
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God damn just saw the 100 mil gauranteed for Matty Ice.

Jimmy G and Cousins did a number on the QB market.
 
You know I sat here and defended Dez, a lot. Blamed a lot on Dak, even though I know Dak was at a disadvantage.

However, if Will McClay came out and said the film showed he couldn't beat 1 on 1 on the outside anymore, I ahve to believe it.
 
PUO3 said:
God damn just saw the 100 mil gauranteed for Matty Ice.

Jimmy G and Cousins did a number on the QB market.
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The falcons raped the packers with that deal lmao. I can’t believe his goofy ass got that much money, I’d rather have Blake griffins gay brother for way less.
 
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It’s no secret that the Giants running game has been an unattractive mess over the past couple seasons. They averaged 3.9 yards per carry a season ago and 3.5 yards per carry in 2016. While it would be great to fix those issues, it’s worth asking the question of whether or not that’s going to fix the issues of the offense as a whole?

How quickly we forget the Giants won the Super Bowl back in 2011 with a similar rushing attack that averaged 3.5 yards per carry and was dead last in the NFL in expected points added. Even if you buy into the old adage that a strong running game makes the passing game better – a claim we’ve found nothing in our data to back up and obviously didn’t hold true for the Giants in 2011 when Eli Manning had the highest-graded season of his career – the analytics say that run-blocking performance is far more strongly correlated to success in the run game than individual running back performance. Ergo, a generational running back isn’t as valuable to a rushing attack as a solid offensive line. The solid offensive line also has the added benefit of solid pass protection (usually) as well. If you are so inclined to ‘establish the run’ it would behoove you to do so with the big fellas up front first.

And while they did just that at the top of the second round with UTEP guard Will Hernandez – who we pegged as a top-20 talent in this draft – they still have gaping holes at center, right guard and right tackle. With the quality of run-blocking in front of him, it’s going to be nearly impossible for Barkley to have consistent success in the running game as a rookie.

The simple fact of the matter, unless you have a truly dominant offensive line, you don’t want to be run heavy in today’s NFL. Taking garbage time out of the equation, the expected points added on the average run play is -.05 while the expected points added for the average pass play is +.05. Only four teams had a positive EPA on running plays a season ago (21 had positive EPA on passes) and unsurprisingly, all the successful rushing teams had quality offensive lines (Cowboys, Packers, Saints, Browns). Team passing and coverage grades correlate strongly to winning while team running and run-defense grades have no correlation. The last four Super Bowl champions have been led in rushing by former undrafted free agents. Six of the last nine Super Bowl champs haven’t even featured a 1,000-yard rusher. I could go on all day with examples.
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https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-giants-offensive-overhaul-after-2018-draft
Ignore the website and it's a pretty solid article against RB value (or more so passing game value is more important)
 
Corona said:
The falcons raped the packers with that deal lmao. I can’t believe his goofy ass got that much money, I’d rather have Blake griffins gay brother for way less.
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I wouldnt.
 
NewbZor said:
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-giants-offensive-overhaul-after-2018-draft
Ignore the website and it's a pretty solid article against RB value (or more so passing game value is more important)
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Giants had a great defense.

Browns did not have a good run game last year.

6 of the last 9 used committees and using Super Bowls to judge a positions value is fucking stupid.

Basically, a very biased article that leaves out a lot of information to skew opinions.

Also the guy who liked paying McKinnon 30 million should stop trying to argue how worthless RBs are lol.
 
Streetz said:
Are we playing the cap with Monopoly money?
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Play it with whatever you like but Id pay Matty a truckload of $ over rolling out a totally unproven project.
 
PUO3 said:
Play it with whatever you like but Id pay Matty a truckload of $ over rolling out a totally unproven project.
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I take the QB on a rookie contract unless it is an elite QB and dont think Matty Ice is in that class
 
Breakdown of Ryan's contract

2018: Base: $6M | Signing Bonus $9.3M | Option Bonus $2.4M | Cap Hit $17.7M (percentage of cap space: 9.94%)

2019: Base: $11.5M | Signing Bonus $9.3M | Option Bonus $2.0M | Cap Hit $22.8M (percentage of cap space: 12.13%)

2020: Base: $20.5M | Signing Bonus $9.3M | Option Bonus $2.0M | Cap Hit $31.8M (percentage of cap space: 16.06%)

2021: Base: $23.0M | Signing Bonus $9.3M | Option Bonus $2.0M | Cap Hit $34.3M (percentage of cap space: 16.50%)

2022: Base: $16.25M | Signing Bonus $9.3M | Option Bonus $2.0M | Roster Bonus $7.5M | Cap Hit $35.05M (percentage of cap space: 16.08%)

2023: Base: $20.5M | Signing Bonus $0 | Option Bonus $2.0M | Roster Bonus $7.5M | Cap Hit $30.0M (percentage of cap space: 13.16%)

I guess add 15% and that will be Rogers contract
 
PUO3 said:
Play it with whatever you like but Id pay Matty a truckload of $ over rolling out a totally unproven project.
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I’d take a rookie contract with potential over a 32 year old proven choker who’s been an above average game manager at best his entire career while playing in a dome with HOF players at his disposal.
 
Fortunately for Matty Ice JaJameis is still in the same division as him so he’s still not the worst in the nfc south lmao
 
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