News New UFC p4p rankings is up; Pantoja is ranked #9

[Domitian]

You've stated the case for Tom yourself. If you discount Jones for lack of availability at heavyweight, Tom is essentially as close to cleaning out the heavyweight division as Pantoja is to cleaning out flyweight. He's missing one top fighter no one seriously doubts he would beat, and his wins are all completely dominant. The division also sucks, with a talent pool that's less than skin deep.

Don't take P4P too seriously.

You can't discount Jones though. Tom isn't even the legit HW champion.

Lol, I'm not taking it seriously. The panel of voters who come up with these rankings are braindead.

 

[svmr_db]

Meanwhile, Stipe Miocic was universally considered the GOAT UFC Heavyweight, and had the best heavyweight resume in the business.

Jones' absolute killer finish of Gane, the first minutes of the fight — and then his killer finish of the legendary Stipe in Round 3 — are **BY FAR** better wins than Aspinall's beating the scrubs that are Volkov, Blaydes, and Pavlovich — and Jones' victories are better by a country mile.

You really put that much value in Jones' victory over Stipe? Stipe hadn't fought in over 3 and a half years prior to that & hadn't won it that.

A win over Stipe in 2019 vs 2024 for example are not the same thing and should be weighted as such. Obviously you wouldn't flex Ryan Bader's wins over Fedor Emelianenko like they were the high quality wins like they would've been a decade prior. Same thing applies here with Jones beating Stipe.

 

[Benoitthegr8]

Pinky Bald Slapjocky and company have there ridiculous agenda, promoting the dominant champs with a P4P ranking I get, some deserve the recognition… but having guys who haven’t even defended or cleaned their divisions below Pantoja is criminal. Also don’t get me started on Jones, since 2018 was his last great win against a legit threat, since he’s either been inactive or cherry picking, add his last 3 defenses at 205 weren’t impressive.

 

[IronGolem007]

You really put that much value in Jones' victory over Stipe? Stipe hadn't fought in over 3 and a half years prior to that & hadn't won it that.

A win over Stipe in 2019 vs 2024 for example are not the same thing and should be weighted as such. Obviously you wouldn't flex Ryan Bader's wins over Fedor Emelianenko like they were the high quality wins like they would've been a decade prior. Same thing applies here with Jones beating Stipe.

I do.

This is not to say I believe things couldn't have been different, had Stipe been younger, but a finish like that over a WARRIOR like Stipe = a better win than over a 1-round quitter, like Pavlovich.

 

[MisfitsBR]

1# Islam - 4 title fight wins (3 finishes) / beat 2 of the rank
2# Topuria - 2 title fight wins (2 finishes) / beat 2 of the rank
3# Poatan - 4 title fight wins (4 finishes) / beat 0 of the rank
4# Pantoja - 4 title fight wins (1 finish) / beat 0 of the rank

 

[Pechan]

He should be at least higher than Bejal.

 

[markys00]

Islam at 1

Bwahahahha

This whole list man

 

[ThroughTheDakr]

Same level as Leon who got embarassed his last fight. Terrible

 

[Subline]

My personal top 10:

1. Islam
2. Topuria
3. Alex
4. Pantoja
5. Dricus
6. Merab
7. Belal
8. Volk
9. Aspinall
10. Jones

 

[Hdfi]

1# Islam - 4 title fight wins (3 finishes) / beat 2 of the rank
2# Topuria - 2 title fight wins (2 finishes) / beat 2 of the rank
3# Poatan - 4 title fight wins (4 finishes) / beat 0 of the rank
4# Pantoja - 4 title fight wins (1 finish) / beat 0 of the rank

Poatan has 5 title fights wins (5 finishes), you are forgetting his run at MW. Israel was top 3 P4P when they fought.
If I'm not mistaken Moreno was also ranked in P4P when Pantoja defeated him.

 

[GluttonforPunishment]

1. Islam Makhachev
2. Ilia Topuria
3. Alex Pereira
4. Alexandre Pantoja
5. Jones or Dricus

And it isn't really up for debate

Welp that's the dumbest take so far. Isn't up for debate... lmfao

 

[tornado362]

Welp that's the dumbest take so far. Isn't up for debate... lmfao

Champions should be up there, all the ones in my top 5 have defended. Merab and Belal have not yet.

Ilia is higher than Pantoja due to beating two of the considered GOATs of his division.

If you've got another opinion, let's discuss it

 

[GluttonforPunishment]

Champions should be up there, all the ones in my top 5 have defended. Merab and Belal have not yet.

Ilia is higher than Pantoja due to beating two of the considered GOATs of his division.

If you've got another opinion, let's discuss it

I know it's subjective. But that order of p4p is suspect. You're telling me Alex is more skilled than Jones? Dricus being there doesn't make sense. He's skilled but not highly. He's just tough. I thought it's supposed to be based on skill at the same size. Jones is probably the most skilled fighter ever. Even went for leg lock on Shogun at the end of the round(and spun around and hammer fists him).

 

[KO Shotz]

Crazy that Merab is ahead of Aspinall. & Leon in the discussion of top ten?

 

[AbominableJoman]

Lmao at Milhammud at number 5. Just lmfao

 

[TriangleMonkey]

Is Tom ranked so high cause he’s a HW or something?

 

[SuperAlly]

Re-name yourself to "Super-Idiot."

POUND-FOR-POUND, literally, means "who would win" IF THEY WERE THE SAME WEIGHT.

The most major way to determine this = ACCOMPLISHMENTS in TRANSCENDING weight classes.

The second most way is to analyze success in their GIVEN weight class.

Most of the fighters on the list haven't even achieved the epitome of success IN their weight classes.

Pantoja and Topouria have, but neither has competed moving up.

Only Jones and Pereira have achieved THE EPITOME of success in two successive weight classes.

The rest aren't even in the discussion.

My take is correct, yours is that of an Internet Jackoff who understands nothing View attachment 1075321

Didn't read your shit house rant because you are wrong

 

[SuperAlly]

1. Islam Makhachev
2. Ilia Topuria
3. Alex Pereira
4. Alexandre Pantoja
5. Jones or Dricus

And it isn't really up for debate

It's a good list

But it is absolutely and always up for debate

 

[SuperAlly]

Shut up. Thanks.

In no Universe do Tom Aspinall's wins (achievements, work ethic, or status) compare to Pereira's, Pantoja's, or Topusia's.

Okay, Tom's last two years may have been "busier than Jones'" (at heavyweight), but Jones' wins over Gane and Stipe eclipse any-/everything Aspinall has ever done in the division.

Appreciate your silence, moving forward, thank you.

Why you calling ilia a pussy

 

[SuperAlly]

Gane was ahead against Ngannou the entire fight, and lost in the wee seconds of the final round.

Jones beating Gane the way he did, made everyone in the HW division take notice.

Aspinall losing to Blaydes (and beating the previous-loser / quitter Pavolovich) is what doesn't mean Jack Shitt compared to Jone's decimation Gane and Miocic, both of who were ranked higher than Sergei, (and neither of whom had ever quit in one round).

Denial isn't rebuttal.

Sit down and shaddap.




No, your effusive fellatio of Aspinall (who hasn't beaten ANY real, serious heavyweight) is good for the laugh, junior.

Wake up and smell the morning coffee

Shit take is shit