New Star Trek TV Series in 2017 V2.0

[platfox]

Worf only really comes into his own after transferring to DS9. His bad ass level went through the roof. And he had interesting interpersonal drama with jax, plus all the Klingon/dominion stuff.

DS9 is on my viewing schedule in about a month. Hopefully I can finally see what most of you guys see of him. Thanks.

 

[Halifax]

DS9 is on my viewing schedule in about a month. Hopefully I can finally see what most of you guys see of him. Thanks.

DS9 takes some getting used to for the first season. It is not all hunky dory "Captains log another found a new planet" crap. It starts as a mess of politics, with Starfleet helping a race of former slaves to the Cardassians getting on their feet. Some of these former slaves HATE the idea of help from the Federation, likening them to just another ruler over their heads. It also deals with a lot of religion.

Gul Dukat is my favorite villain of all time. Garak is an amazing character as well. Top 2 for me in trek history

Is the best Trek series to me. The best Klingon episodes in Trek

The character growth on that show is incredible and it goes into the grey areas other trek shows avoided.

Season 1: Emissary. Terrific pilot episode and sets the tone. However, the first season is easily my least favorite.

Season 2 has some high's and lows. The 3 part opener was a bit meh to me, but was good for the overall story. Episodes like necessary evil and Blood Oath were so well done.

Season 3 it really picks up

Season 4-7 are the best Trek has ever offered

 

[Halifax]

Please help me like Worf guys.

Boring conversation in his scenes

Got his ass kicked a lot

Alwas offered bad advice to Picard

His idealogy/philosophy was equal to a caveman

Sense of humor of a rock

His forehead is tough to look at every episode

Once he goes to DS9, the first Episode he is in is one of the best ever. More than one friend I have gotten to finally give DS9 a chance because they saw that episode when I had it running at home.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21L22C5AjoE

The second follows 2 stories, but Worf's is a learning experience. Poor guy is so used to rigid starfleet rules and he learns the hard way, the non-starfleet Changeling security officer who runs DS9 security has no patience for that crap. Sisko explains to Worf how many Officers who come to DS9 have a hard time adapting because it is not a starfleet station, they are merely helping out, and it has a different set of rules than he is used to.

It goes from there. There were some hilarious moments. Sisko, O'Brien and Odo surgically changing to Klingon to infiltrate and Worf trying to teach them to act.
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But Martok was the most interesting Klingon on the show to me.

 

[Cyke_out]

Both TNG and DS9 has very meh first two seasons. TNG's early episodes are particularly horrible. But both improve amazingly from season 3 and on.

 

[Hyperglide]

I wouldn't mind seeing a Captain Welsey Crusher spin-off. He's the right age. A lot of people blather on that he went off with the Traveler in Season 7 after washing out of Starfleet Academy.

But in Star Trek Insurrection you can clearly see he's at Riker and Troi's funeral.. I mean wedding and he's dressed in full Starfleet dress attire and IIRC he has his rank insignia on there too. You could also have guest spots from dudes like Patrick Stewart as Admiral Picard and Captain Crusher/Picard (like in All good things...) as his proud mom.

Also, he won't be the annoying smart kid who solves each problem with the Enterprise almost as much as Data who seems to be there just to be the Deus Ex Machina.

 

[Hyperglide]

Gates McFadden was twice the doc Polaski was

lol she was terrible. Pulaski was the Bones of TNG she didn't take no shit and was a hard ass. Loved her character. Crusher was some stuck up priss who constantly cockteased Picard and dressed up with gay pink ribbons in her hair, had shitty taste in men (ghost dude and that guy with the worm in his gut), and trimmed flowers.

Dat acting doe. Atrocious.

Prime Gates McFadden could get it though. Leagues better then that overrated Marina Sirtis who only looked good in Season 1 and 2.

Then she got that weird fish lip thing going on later in the series when you could get she ruined her looks with plastic surgery. Oh and she completely forgot how to play Counseler Troi. She sounded like Marina Sirtis in interviews when she played the character in seasons 6/7 and all the TNG movies. It's like she completely forgot how to play the role.

 

[Hyperglide]

She was just so fucking rude to Data. Kept calling him it. She was that one racist aunt everyone has. So glad crusher came back in season 2.

Pulaski "busted her up" Also she came back in Season 3.

She respected Data after that. You have to understand she's a medical doctor and didn't respect him cause he was an artificial lifeform. She came around eventually near the end of Season 2 though when he beat the crap out of that guy in Strategema.

 

[WrestlinganJudo]

I'm only a few episodes in on TOS but it's kind of funny how easily they just kill off extra crew members. Someone gets murdered or vaporized and Kirk & Crew don't even flinch.

War veterans if they are in combat long enough get the same way. A lot of stores from WWI and WW2 like that.

 

[JBSchroeds]

War veterans if they are in combat long enough get the same way. A lot of stores from WWI and WW2 like that.

I think you're trying to give the show too much credit.

 

[WrestlinganJudo]

I think you're trying to give the show too much credit.

I can discredit the show and the fans. Here it comes.

 

[Halifax]

Both TNG and DS9 has very meh first two seasons. TNG's early episodes are particularly horrible. But both improve amazingly from season 3 and on.

Duur? I happen to LOVE season 1 and 2 of Next gen.

They had the worst Special effects, but had some great stories.

Awesome episodes.
Season1:
Encounter at farpoint
Where no one has gone before
Hide and Q
Datalore
Heart of Glory
Arsenal of freedom
Conspiracy
The Neutral zone

Season 2
A matter of honor
The measure of a man
Contagion
Pen Pals
Q Who
Manhunt
Peak Performance


Certainly season 1 and 2 of Next gen to me is better than the first 2 seasons of DS9 or Voyager episodes

 

[MMA since 1993]

I just don't know.

 

[WrestlinganJudo]

Discrediting Star Trek.

We know while under the influence of a planets gravity and atmosphere aerodynamic flight has certain characteristics. Away from the influence of a planet motion follows different rules.

Under the influence of a planet there is a horizon and control surfaces use drag (friction) and relative density for flight because of gravity and atmosphere. On the opposite sides of a planet airplanes are inverted from each other.

In Star Trek and some other similar shows they are resenting things wrong. What sets the horizon? The ships seem to have a right side up to them. When ships meet in space why are they acting like they have a common horizon? This seems to defy all logic.

When the ships maneuver they act as if they have control surface but they don't. The kind of movement they represent does not make much sense. It has the appearance of aerodynamic flight but it shouldn't. After a maneuvering they return to a common horizon. Whats up with that?

I thought geeks paid attention to things like this. Star Trek has some really dumb geeks if they accept the horizon and flight characteristics.

 

[WrestlinganJudo]

Star Trek Geeks don't know aerodynamic flight does not belong is space.

Dumbest of the Geeks.

 

[JBSchroeds]

What are you on about? I was just saying that trying to attribute the character reactions to some kind of battle fatigue is probably more involved than the writers or actors considered at the time.

 

[WrestlinganJudo]

What are you on about? I was just saying that trying to attribute the character reactions to some kind of battle fatigue is probably more involved than the writers or actors considered at the time.

The Star Trek universe does not make sense.

First of all as many times as a person dies doing something routine you get used it. Someone asked why they don't even flinch, after about 40 of them dieing it should become sort of routine. The flight models are kind of stupid as well.

 

[JBSchroeds]

The Star Trek universe does not make sense.

First of all as many times as a person dies doing something routine you get used it. Someone asked why they don't even flinch, after about 40 of them dieing it should become sort of routine. The flight models are kind of stupid as well.

Is english not your first language? I ask because the way you're structuring your argument sounds contradictory. You point out why something would make sense, but then treat it like it like it goes towards things not making sense.

 

[WrestlinganJudo]

Is english not your first language? I ask because the way you're structuring your argument sounds contradictory. You point out why something would make sense, but then treat it like it like it goes towards things not making sense.

Nope, not first language.

I don't see the contradiction but maybe there is.

"Originally Posted by platfox View Post
I'm only a few episodes in on TOS but it's kind of funny how easily they just kill off extra crew members. Someone gets murdered or vaporized and Kirk & Crew don't even flinch."

If they kept flinching after every death somethings wrong. They had them in almost every episode from what I have been told. If it happens every time I would be asking why they don't change procedures.

Star Trek makes little sense. They try and justify the science. That's fine but they then go and do stupid things with flight models.

The Star Trek world makes little sense so I am not surprised that there is not another Trek based show running.

 

[WrestlinganJudo]

I see the problem now.

I was being critical of a fan and the show at the same time.

I was critical of the fan because I would not expect much of a reaction after the 40th person died because they were not being careful. I was being critical of the show because you would think they would learn to be more careful.

 

[Gene Tunney]

Star Trek is a stylistic science fiction entertainment tv show written by people for the purpose of generating value through achieving viewership metrics. And you are disappointed because it is not real? Geez Louise.