New Orleans removing confederate icons

[Losfer Words]

Long live the kingfisher Huey Long

 

[Denter]

There is no Confederacy anymore. It's all U.S. land. Statues to enemy commanders don't belong on our soil. It's no more antagonistic than removing statues of the King of England after the Revolutionary War. There were people here who were supporters of the British and fought on their side. It doesn't matter. One side lost, their statues aren't important to our history. The history books are plenty.

There is a statute of Pancho Villa in downtown Tucson, btw.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Regarding the OT, The South and Confederacy lost the war.

Get the fu*k over it...What other country celebrates rebels and those shoe seceded from the union and attempted to overthrow the standing government

And LOL @ "...slavery was only a small part of the Civil War." Love revisionist historians.

 

[TSO]

I know thugs. They weren't no thugs.
For sure Martin wasn't, Brown i really don't know as much about him.
But go meet a real thug and see how vastly childlike Martin is.

Brown strongarm robbed a store, it's on film. Doing that even once makes you a thug.
As for Martin, I don't care. Not to sound too cold but all I know is what I saw on TV on the web and was never that attached to the story.

 

[panamaican]

We wouldn't be talking about it if this weren't an issue for some people.

Of course there is no Confederacy anymore. There are those, however, that are proud to be from the South, who did have family who fought in the war, and who are proud of their ancestors.

This is an issue for a lot of people.

You're combining 2 separate issues. People can be proud to be from the south and have ancestors who fought in the war. But we're not talking about people's pride or their history. We're talking about statues to commemorate enemy leaders. Unless you're directly descended from Robert E. Lee or Stonewall Jackson - it's not personal to you. Is there some reason that being mentioned in history books is insufficient?

It's identical having people in the U.S. insisting that we honor the King of England because they had family die in the Revolutionary War. Would you argue that we should erect statues to English generals?

 

[panamaican]

this might make sense if i were saying that we need to build statues. i am simply saying that we dont need to tear shit down that is already up. it is stupid. it isnt going to change what happened.

No, it isn't going to change anything. Which is why I don't see the problem with taking them down. We knock down old things all of the time once they've outlived their usefulness. The Civil War was lost a very long time ago. No one who fought in it is still alive. There is no reason to keep them up, they serve no purpose.

I'm indifferent to it. I didn't care before, I don't really care now. But from a pure place of perspective - they are statues to enemy generals and no country (that I know of) keeps statues to their enemies on their soil.

 

[panamaican]

There is a statute of Pancho Villa in downtown Tucson, btw.

But the Mexican Revolution wasn't a war against the U.S. despite our sometimes involvement.

 

[Denter]

But the Mexican Revolution wasn't a war against the U.S. despite our sometimes involvement.

Pancho Villa invaded the US and killed US citizens.

 

[panamaican]

Pancho Villa invaded the US and killed US citizens.

I'm not disagreeing. Well...I wouldn't call it "invading" the U.S. but I get your larger overall point. And if people wanted to take down that statue I would say that there's no reason to keep it up either.

Which is my larger point.

 

[Denter]

I'm not disagreeing. Well...I wouldn't call it "invading" the U.S. but I get your larger overall point. And if people wanted to take down that statue I would say that there's no reason to keep it up either.

Which is my larger point.

People have made noises since the 80s about taking it down. It doesn't get taken down though, because the locals consider it part of their culture.

Kindof like General Lee.

 

[Stoic1]

Need to rename all of our military bases soon. Might trigger someone.

 

[My Spot]

The Army has 10 bases named after Confederate officers (including John Gordon, who was head of the KKK in GA).

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Lots of folks don't seem to like free speech. Don't like the statues? Don't visit them. Don't like what you believe they stand for? Don't subscribe to it. Not a member of the local community where they're on display? You get the idea.

 

[UpaLoompa]

People have made noises since the 80s about taking it down. It doesn't get taken down though, because the locals consider it part of their culture.

Kindof like General Lee.

Sorry, maybe I should reread the reporting about this story; I was pretty sure that the locals were the ones taking down these monuments. Didn't realize it was Obama.

 

[UpaLoompa]

Lots of folks don't seem to like free speech. Don't like the statues? Don't visit them. Don't like what you believe they stand for? Don't subscribe to it. Not a member of the local community where they're on display? You get the idea.

Also free speech: Don't like the statues and what they stand for: Protest them and work for their removal.

Seems like you're the one a bit shaky on this complicated idea of free speech.

 

[panamaican]

People have made noises since the 80s about taking it down. It doesn't get taken down though, because the locals consider it part of their culture.

Kindof like General Lee.

And herein lies the contradictory point. The locals have decided to take down the General Lee statue. So when it was up, it's defensible as part of their culture and when they decide to take it down...that's not them expressing a change in their culture?

I didn't drive down there and cast a vote, did you?

 

[panamaican]

Also free speech: Don't like the statues and what they stand for: Protest them and work for their removal.

Seems like you're the one a bit shaky on this complicated idea of free speech.

It's only free speech when it does what I want. The rest of the time it's PC, liberals or the death of independence, not necessarily in that order.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Also free speech: Don't like the statues and what they stand for: Protest them and work for their removal.

Seems like you're the one a bit shaky on this complicated idea of free speech.

Nope. Just perceptive enough to notice the difference between ignoring/living with what you don't like and making an effort to/advocating the silence it. Especially when it's complainers on the internet whose lives will never be affected by whatever it is in whatever article that got them saddling up their high horses that particular day.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

It's only free speech when it does what I want. The rest of the time it's PC, liberals or the death of independence, not necessarily in that order.

Or like, not. Go ahead and find me being hypocritical on this issue. Otherwise...

 

[panamaican]

Or like, not. Go ahead and find me being hypocritical on this issue. Otherwise...

It wasn't directed at you. Don't take it personally.