New Orleans removing confederate icons

[ripskater]

Thanks Investigator, I got my first like!

 

[DeJulez]

The South sucks. Fuck em.

Small city, slow talking jackasses. They said "Mississippi burning" I said FUCK EM, Burn the states next to them as well.

Only assholes tuck their shirts in on a Saturday afternoon.

 

[ripskater]

no he wouldnt have.

he turned down the crittenden compromise. the first seceding states left the union simply because lincoln was elected. they knew what he wanted, even if you dont.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/linda-r-monk-jd/the-other-13th-amendment-_b_8721952.html

So why did Lincoln agree to make slavery a permanent, unamendable part of the Constitution only four years earlier, in his first inaugural address? After the 1860 presidential election, Congress created an olive branch to staunch the tide of southern secession. Known as the Corwin Amendment, after its sponsor Rep. Thomas Corwin of Ohio, this proposed Thirteenth Amendment read:

No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress the power to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State.

The final language was approved by both houses of Congress on March 2, only two days before Lincoln was sworn in. By that time, seven southern states had already seceded. Yet Lincoln included his support of the amendment in his address: "holding such a provision to now be implied constitutional law, I have no objection to its being made express and irrevocable."

With that phrase Lincoln removed all doubt that he would make slavery an explicit and permanent part of the Constitution if it saved the Union. And by supporting such an amendment, he could lay the burden of war clearly on the South. "In your hands, my dissatisfied fellow-countrymen, and not in mine, is the momentous issue of civil war."

On March 16, 1861, Lincoln sent a signed letter transmitting the proposed amendment to the governors of all the states, including those that had recently seceded. The amendment itself had been signed by President James Buchanan, just as Lincoln in 1865 would sign what officially became the Thirteenth Amendment. Although Lincoln hoped the amendment would appease the border states, only Maryland and Ohio legally approved it; both later rescinded their ratifications. The Corwin Amendment proved that Southern secessionists were after much more than states' rights, or even the protection of slavery within their borders. They wanted a separate nation dedicated to preserving their own interests.

 

[ripskater]

The South sucks. Fuck em.

Small city, slow talking jackasses. They said "Mississippi burning" I said FUCK EM, Burn the states next to them as well.

Only assholes tuck their shirts in on a Saturday afternoon.

 

[JonnyRingo84]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/linda-r-monk-jd/the-other-13th-amendment-_b_8721952.html

politicians say all sorts of shit. lincoln even famously said that he would preserve the union even if he had to keep slavery in the south.

when given the opportunity to do so, though, he turned it down. not only did he turn it down, he convinced the other republicans to turn it down. crittenden compromise.

 

[VulcanNervPinch]

Yeah, let's just get rid of our history.

History belongs in history books and museums.

Public parks and plazas are for celebrating great and admirable people and achievements.

There's no cause to celebrate people whose noteworthiness comes from fighting on the wrong side in one of America's ugliest chapters.

 

[Denter]

They also committed treason and waged war to protect their right to own human beings.

So did the Founders.

"He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us..."

 

[Uchi Mata]

Let's not pretend that every single petson on a particular side was a villian.

So Germany should have monuments to Leni Riefenstahl because she was a good director?

Good for New Orleans. Why any nation would allow monuments to a bunch of traitors to stand all across broad swaths of their country is beyond me.

 

[UpaLoompa]

So did the Founders.

"He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us..."

The founders didn't commit treason specifically for the purpose of protecting the right to own people, so no.

 

[Denter]

The founders didn't commit treason specifically for the purpose of protecting the right to own people, so no.

They committed treason for a variety of reasons, the damn traitors.

 

[UpaLoompa]

They committed treason for a variety of reasons, the damn traitors.

To paraphrase Trump, I don't celebrate losers.

(also, it's nice that you continue to push this false equivalency)

 

[Denter]

To paraphrase Trump, I don't celebrate losers.

(also, it's nice that you continue to push this false equivalency)

Why, because virtues are important, even when people who lost display them?

Why do you think its a good thing that ideological purity is of more concern to people than the heroic qualities displayed by, let's say, General Lee?

 

[UpaLoompa]

Why, because virtues are important, even when people who lost display them?

Why do you think its a good thing that ideological purity is of more concern to people than the heroic qualities displayed by, let's say, General Lee?

Trollololololol.

 

[7437]

Most white people held racist beliefs back around 1850. We'd have to tear down every memorial in the country. Even Abe Lincoln was for the Corwin Amendment if it would have preserved the Union. It would have kept slavery legal.

Most of the country was racist, but the confederates were willing to commit treason over it. That is the only reason they have those monuments, because they were traitors. Traitors should not have monuments in America.

 

[JimmyFresno]

Just another reason why people are voting Trump.

Liberals have over played their hand to the point where shit like this is causing a divide so wide Evel Knievel couldn't jump it.

Keep pushin, assholes...

 

[Mainez]

Any statues of those traitors should be modified to where it shows them surrendering.

 

[Tekk]

Just another reason why people are voting Trump.

Liberals have over played their hand to the point where shit like this is causing a divide so wide Evel Knievel couldn't jump it.

Keep pushin, assholes...

You do know that Trump says the confederate flag should be taken down and put in museums. Nobody but southern white conservatives care about protecting the icon of the civil war.

 

[DeJulez]

When was the last time anyone went to Atlantic City?

Yea, think about that when you consider voting for the guy with a ferret on his head.

 

[JimmyFresno]

You do know that Trump says the confederate flag should be taken down and put in museums. Nobody but southern white conservatives care about protecting the icon of the civil war.

Then Trump won't get their vote. And it's not just Southern, White, conservatives who don't want U.S. history sacrificed at the altar of PC.

Next they'll be renaming the Robert E. Lee tree in nearby Kings Canyon National Park.

 

[Uchi Mata]

Why, because virtues are important, even when people who lost display them?

Why do you think its a good thing that ideological purity is of more concern to people than the heroic qualities displayed by, let's say, General Lee?

Can one be heroic on behalf of an evil cause? I tend to think not. At most, one can be tragic. Which Lee was. But not heroic.