New gun laws in Georgia

[oldshadow]

I live in the deep south so I know that most of those regulations would be unpopular but the South is not the end all, be all of the Republican party. There are 12 million Republicans in California for instance thats more than the combined populations of South Carolina, Mississippi, and Alabama.

And why the states should control gun regulation as long as the met the 2nd.

 

[UpaLoompa]

As Dochter said, maybe they mistakenly believe that semi-automatic is the same as fully automatic. Either way, they support some regulations on gun ownership including up to outright bans on certain classes of firearms which was the main point.

That more republicans support a ban on semi-automatic weapons than on assault weapons demonstrates that they polled a lot of people that were ignorant about the issue.

 

[nixkid]

That more republicans support a ban on assault weapons than on semi-automatic weapons demonstrates that they polled a lot of people that were ignorant about the issue.

That seems consistent to me. What is the definition of an assault weapon? Wikipedia says its a weapon with selective fire (semi-automatic, fully automatic, and burst modes). I would expect more people to support the ban of a weapon with a fully automatic firing mode than weapons that can only fire semi-automatic.

 

[Its Me Austin]

Do you know what semi-automatic means?

 

[nixkid]

Do you know what semi-automatic means?

Yes, one round fired for each pull of the trigger.

 

[Its Me Austin]

Which again, is basically EVERY firearm nowadays.

 

[lpaulgib]

The law still gives the owner of the property the right to ban them. As a club bouncer in Atlanta I assure you none of the bar owners are about to start letting guns in the bar. It's just important that it's the right of the people to decide this, and not the federal government deciding this for us. I don't see anything crazy about this law, or why it's a huge deal.

 

[UpaLoompa]

That seems consistent to me. What is the definition of an assault weapon? Wikipedia says its a weapon with selective fire (semi-automatic, fully automatic, and burst modes). I would expect more people to support the ban of a weapon with a fully automatic firing mode than weapons that can only fire semi-automatic.

Assault weapons, what is talked about in terms of school shootings, are semi-automatic. When people talk about AW's in these discussion they are not talking about selective fire, they're talking about semi-automatic rifles that some people find aesthetically displeasing (or fucking awesome). Your description is actually of an assault rifle.

Fully automatic weapons are highly regulated and expensive. You'd be hard pressed to find a crime committed with a legally owned full-auto weapon.

 

[nixkid]

Which again, is basically EVERY firearm nowadays.

I don't understand your point.

I'm not saying I support a ban on semi-automatic weapons and I agree that most people in the poll probably misunderstood the question and confused semi-automatic with automatic. The point I was trying to make is that a lot of Republicans support gun control up to outright bans on certain classes of weapons.

 

[nixkid]

Assault weapons, what is talked about in terms of school shootings, are semi-automatic. When people talk about AW's in these discussion they are not talking about selective fire, they're talking about semi-automatic rifles that some people find aesthetically displeasing (or fucking awesome).

From my understanding those rifles (AR-15 in particular) aren't actually assault rifles.

I believe that a lot of people who polled yes on banning semi-automatic weapons believe semi-automatic weapons are considered assault weapons. Most of the 51% that responded no probably understood the difference. I would also think that most (if not all) of the YESs on semi-automatic ban also responded in favor of banning assault weapons as well as some of the people who responded no to the semi-auto ban. It makes sense to me.

 

[ben236]

That seems consistent to me. What is the definition of an assault weapon? Wikipedia says its a weapon with selective fire (semi-automatic, fully automatic, and burst modes). I would expect more people to support the ban of a weapon with a fully automatic firing mode than weapons that can only fire semi-automatic.

That's an assault rifle.

From my understanding those rifles (AR-15 in particular) aren't actually assault rifles.

They're not.

 

[WorldofWarcraft]

I guess gun crime is going to go up in Georgia

 

[UpaLoompa]

From my understanding those rifles (AR-15 in particular) aren't actually assault rifles.

I believe that a lot of people who polled yes on banning semi-automatic weapons believe semi-automatic weapons are considered assault weapons. Most of the 51% that responded no probably understood the difference. I would also think that most (if not all) of the YESs on semi-automatic ban also responded in favor of banning assault weapons as well as some of the people who responded no to the semi-auto ban. It makes sense to me.

It seems as though you also are not clear on what defines an assault weapon. Assault weapon and assault rifle are not synonyms. Assault weapons (AR-15s) are not assault rifles. Pushes for assault weapon bans are pushes for banning semi-automatic rifles (with no burst or full auto capability) that have pistol grips and some other aesthetic features. Assault rifles are something completely different from "assault weapons". In most ways "assault weapon" is a meaningless aesthetic designation.

A ban on semi-automatics bans assault weapons. You can't oppose a ban on assault weapons but support a ban on semi-automatics. It is inconsistent.

Assault rifles, i.e. rifles that have the capability to shoot full auto, are already highly regulated and are not what is being discussed by anyone.

 

[nixkid]

It seems as though you also are not clear on what defines an assault weapon. Assault weapon and assault rifle are not synonyms. Assault weapons (AR-15s) are not assault rifles. Pushes for assault weapon bans are pushes for banning semi-automatic rifles (with no burst or full auto capability) that have pistol grips and some other aesthetic features. Assault rifles are something completely different from "assault weapons". In most ways "assault weapon" is a meaningless aesthetic designation.

A ban on semi-automatics bans assault weapons. You can't oppose a ban on assault weapons but support a ban on semi-automatics. It is inconsistent.

Assault rifles, i.e. rifles that have the capability to shoot full auto, are already highly regulated and are not what is being discussed by anyone.

Ok. Point taken. I think I have a better understanding now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle#Assault_rifles_vs._Assault_weapons

Plus, I read the poll wrong. More people support a ban on semi-auto weapons than do assault weapons. I had it reversed so you are correct.

 

[UpaLoompa]

Ok. Point taken. I think I have a better understanding now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle#Assault_rifles_vs._Assault_weapons

Plus, I read the poll wrong. More people support a ban on semi-auto weapons than do assault weapons. I had it reversed so you are correct.

No problem.
I've no problem referring to a magazine as a clip unlike some of the pedantic gun nuts here in the War Room. That's not a particularly important distinction from a policy perspective. In contrast the distinction between an assault weapon and assault rifle is actually important.

 

[ruthless robert]

That seems consistent to me. What is the definition of an assault weapon? Wikipedia says its a weapon with selective fire (semi-automatic, fully automatic, and burst modes). I would expect more people to support the ban of a weapon with a fully automatic firing mode than weapons that can only fire semi-automatic.

why should we ban fully automatic rifles?

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[Its Me Austin]

No problem.
I've no problem referring to a magazine as a clip unlike some of the pedantic gun nuts here in the War Room. That's not a particularly important distinction from a policy perspective. In contrast the distinction between an assault weapon and assault rifle is actually important.

Calling a magazine a clip is a good indicator that someone has no idea what they're talking about.

 

[James Keith]

I've no problem referring to a magazine as a clip unlike some of the pedantic gun nuts here in the War Room.

Seem to recall you being pedantic about scientific terminology before.

I know old gun nuts that say "clip" universally. shrug. This insistence people have on correcting the term seems to be a recent thing. Perhaps it comes from the military. I could seem them giving recruits shit over it.

 

[JohnnySagebrush]

Not sure about guns in bars. I witnessed a drunk shoot himself in his scrotum in a bar...also wondering what the big push is for new gun legislation. When I was young, guns were much more an integral point of life and were regarded more as a tool than a self-defense weapon. Everyone had a pump shotgun, a .22, and some sort of center fire rifle, usually a 270 or 30/06. No one had pistols, a few Vets had M 14s. No one carried and if we kept a loaded gun in the house it was a 12 gauge with either rock salt or #8 shot. Farmers used to put a load of rock salt in thieving kids' asses, now people shoot to kill and say they felt "threatened." Seems the country has gone chickenshit.

 

[UpaLoompa]

Seem to recall you being pedantic about scientific terminology before.

I know old gun nuts that say "clip" universally. shrug. This insistence people have on correcting the term seems to be a recent thing. Perhaps it comes from the military. I could seem them giving recruits shit over it.

I'm happy to be pedantic when it matters, e.g. in regards to the distinction between "assault weapon" and "assault ban". The clip vs. magazine distinction is irrelevant to any of the discussions usually being had and, like you say, is a pretty recent thing to get snippy about.