New California law

[nefti]

Do you a problem with them going to public high school for free, which you claim is rampant in Irvine?

Their property taxes fund for elementary middle and highschool

 

[Shoemaker]

All state schools are not free. Also you compared a cc to a 4 year school, a more accurate comparison would be to compare a private 4 year school to a public 4 year school. You also chose Stanford, a great private school, Berkley is its public school counterpart.

lol you’re the one who said rich parents will send their kids to free-cc instead of a premium university. That was your comparison, not mine. Then you brought up Berkeley, not me.

 

[Shoemaker]

Their property taxes fund for elementary middle and highschool

Uh huh. And their state taxes will fund the community colleges. Problem?

 

[nefti]

Do you disagree that free entry to cc should be reserved for those who need it the most?

 

[Shoemaker]

Do you disagree that free entry to cc should be reserved for those who need it the most?

I’ll answer the same way you answered me. It is paid for by their taxes, same as high school.

 

[nefti]

Uh huh. And their state taxes will fund the community colleges. Problem?

Yes, since the best community colleges are usually located in the highest income areas.

 

[nefti]

I’ll answer the same way you answered me. It is paid for by their taxes, same as high school.

So you really don't care about helping the poor, just some political philosophy.

 

[nefti]

lol you’re the one who said rich parents will send their kids to free-cc instead of a premium university. That was your comparison, not mine. Then you brought up Berkeley, not me.

They send their kids to cc for 2 years, reap the benefits of saving tuition costs and high transfer rates to the best 4 year institutions.

What I did not say was that they exchange a 4 year degree with an associates. Like you seem to be suggesting.

 

[Shoemaker]

So you really don't care about helping the poor, just some political philosophy.

How does helping the rich mean the poor aren’t being helped? They’re still getting free college for a year. That doesn’t make sense.

 

[Shoemaker]

I’d kindly ask you refrained from ridiculous jumps to conclusions like I don’t care about the poor. I don’t mind debating this but that’s weak.

 

[shockaholic12]

Well that, and you’ll very likely get a better education at Stanford than you will Palo Alto Community College. Likely make better, more influential connections too.

Also true. Most of my community college courses were easier than my senior high classes in a regents testing state.

 

[nefti]

How does helping the rich mean the poor aren’t being helped? They’re still getting free college for a year. That doesn’t make sense.

Free education should be reserved for those who need it the most. Ie the poor. The law can easily be fixed.

 

[Shoemaker]

They send their kids to cc for 2 years, reap the benefits of saving tuition costs and high transfer rates to the best 4 year institutions.

What I did not say was that they exchange a 4 year degree with an associates. Like you seem to be suggesting.

Makes sense. I reckon that’s already very common amongst the wealthy? Sending kids to community college for 2 years before shipping them off to an Ivy League. Is that right? About what percentage of people earning over 200k do that?

 

[nefti]

How does helping the rich mean the poor aren’t being helped? They’re still getting free college for a year. That doesn’t make sense.

According to this logic, you should love trumps tax plan

 

[Shoemaker]

Free education should be reserved for those who need it the most. Ie the poor. The law can easily be fixed.

lol and you accused me of being ideological instead of practical. This is all ideology. You cannot explain why it’s bad.

 

[Shoemaker]

According to this logic, you should love trumps tax plan

Except that’s a completely different topic with many nuanced (and major) differences.

The only way they’re the same is that they both have benefits for the rich.

 

[nefti]

Makes sense. I reckon that’s already very common amongst the wealthy? Sending kids to community college for 2 years before shipping them off to an Ivy League. Is that right? About what percentage of people earning over 200k do that?

More than you think. They don't need to do it, they just recogized the financial benefits of this. Community College was like less than 3000 a year for me. I had classmates transfer to usc after two years, that means they saved almost 130,000 dollars.

That's why they bribe their kids with expensive cars to stay a year or two. Because the savings even for a person that makes hundreds of thousands are significant.

 

[Necromantic]

Free education should be reserved for those who need it the most. Ie the poor. The law can easily be fixed.

Free education should be for those smart enough to earn a scholarship or those who can play with balls well enough to get a scholarship.
But see, these are not free inasmuch as with a ballplayer the school will make money, and with someone exceptionally intelligent and capable they are most likely to benefit society.

Poor people can get academic/athletic scholarships/grants . . . I did (I got a couple Gs a year not full free school).

 

[nefti]

Free education should be for those smart enough to earn a scholarship or those who can play with balls well enough to get a scholarship.
But see, these are not free inasmuch as with a ballplayer the school will make money, and with someone exceptionally intelligent and capable they are most likely to benefit society.

Poor people can get academic/athletic scholarships/grants . . . I did (I got a couple Gs a year not full free school).

Well I'm assuming there is a baseline in performance to qualify.

 

[Shoemaker]

More than you think. They don't need to do it, they just recogized the financial benefits of this. Community College was like less than 3000 a year for me. I had classmates transfer to usc after two years, that means they saved almost 130,000 dollars.

That's why they bribe their kids with expensive cars to stay a year or two. Because the savings even for a person that makes hundreds of thousands are significant.

Are we talking about Saddleback, by chance? We’re still just talking about Irvine specifically. I think you’re taking a very specific situation and applying it broadly. Oakland is a really good counter-example. Very wide ranging income levels in a concentrated area.