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meauneau said:
It could take far more to develop a well rounded game. Also, remember that we are not comparing particular representatives of boxing vs that of MMA. We are making an abstract comparison of the set of boxing, with all its elements, vs the set of MMA, which is the power set of the set of boxing. This entails that MMA requires more education and has more subtlety than the set boxing. Whether some particular persons uses all or some of the elements of the set of boxing is irrelevant.
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let me shorten your wall of text

"I am talking in fantasy since I don't have an argument in real life "meauneau
 
JSN said:
huh? in theory you could have more subtle techniques in mma. In practice, you rarely see that. A perfect example is Ronda Rousey. She didn't have to feint, and hand fight a bunch to hit a trip in MMA like she did in judo. She just dumped bitches who didn't know what what coming at them.
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If it is the case in theory, if the theory is correct or true, then in practice it is the case, it is true in practice.

As I said, don't compare particular examples of the arts and conclude that MMA requires less education or that it has less subtly. If the arts are subsets of the set MMA then logically, ie, necessarily, MMA requires more education and has more subtlety. That we don't see it that often is irrelevant.
 
Marc A said:
let me shorten your wall of text

"I am talking in fantasy since I don't have an argument in real life "meauneau
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Let me.shorten yours: "I can't refute your argument so I will construct a strawman and refute it instead".
 
meauneau said:
If it is the case in theory, if the theory is correct or true, then in practice it is the case, it is true in practice.

As I said, don't compare particular examples of the arts and conclude that MMA requires less education or that it has less subtly. If the arts are subsets of the set MMA then logically, ie, necessarily, MMA requires more education and has more subtlety. That we don't see it that often is irrelevant.
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um yeah if that was true, then we wouldn't need scientific method. You sound like one of those internet economists.
 
meauneau said:
Let me.shorten yours: "I can't refute your argument so I will construct a strawman and refute it instead".
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Straw man ? Be a man or act like one

You admit to only speaking on abstract did you not ?
 
Shut up op, why is the boxing forum flooded with shit posting from the heavies and white belts after a big fight? Oh and its not Andre fault Boris kovalev has a vodka soft belly. Remember you cant drink vodka year in and year out and expect to be in top shape, take the L and fuck off.
 
JSN said:
um yeah if that was true, then we wouldn't need scientific method. You sound like one of those internet economists.
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If it works in theory then it works in practice. Then by modus tollens, if it does not work in practice, then it does not work in theory.

That is one of the oldest tricks in the book to say that it works in theory but not in practice. Thats like saying that in theory the planets revolve around the sun, but not in practice. Or that in theory we need oxygen, but not in practice.
 
meauneau said:
If it works in theory then it works in practice. Then by modus tollens, if it does not work in practice, then it does not work in theory.

That is one of the oldest tricks in the book to say that it works in theory but not in practice. Thats like saying that in theory the planets revolve around the sun, but not in practice. Or that in theory we need oxygen, but not in practice.
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um no dude- theories need to be proven.

Could a high level MMA fighter spend countless hours learning to set up a left hook (if that was his big weapon) in the myriad of ways like Ray Mercer did as a boxer? Sure, but you hardly even see that because high level MMA fighters need to spend a lot of time being competent fighting from the clinch, wrestling and boxing as well. Which is why you almost always see "ultimate boxing" on the feet where two guys throw limbs at each other at a much lower skill level than you see at similar levels of the sport in boxing.
 
JSN said:
um no dude- theories need to be proven.

Could a high level MMA fighter spend countless hours learning to set up a left hook (if that was his big weapon) in the myriad of ways like Ray Mercer did as a boxer? Sure, but you hardly even see that because high level MMA fighters need to spend a lot of time being competent fighting from the clinch, wrestling and boxing as well. Which is why you almost always see "ultimate boxing" on the feet where two guys throw limbs at each other at a much lower skill level than you see at similar levels of the sport in boxing.
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I think you mean hypotheses. And you mean confirmed not proven. You cannot prove a theory but you can confirm it.

He doesn't have to spend countless hours. If he could get it down and can use it in a fight then that is all that matters. It doesn't have to be perfect. It merely needs to work.
 
Marc A said:
When you say "we" whom are you including ?

Also

Abstract - c: insufficiently factual

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/abstract
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Myself and JSN. But also anyone who is taking part in this particular discussion.

Also:

  1. 1.
    consider something theoretically or separately from (something else).
    "to abstract science and religion from their historical context can lead to anachronism"
  2. 2.
    extract or remove (something).
    "applications to abstract more water from streams"
    synonyms: extract, pump, draw (off), tap, suck, withdraw, remove, take out/away
 
meauneau said:
I think you mean hypotheses. And you mean confirmed not proven. You cannot prove a theory but you can confirm it.

He doesn't have to spend countless hours. If he could get it down and can use it in a fight then that is all that matters. It doesn't have to be perfect. It merely needs to work.
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dude you're just into semantics now. And a theory (whether a formal scientific theory or used in the colloquial sense) certainly can be disproven no matter what terminology you choose to use.
 
JSN said:
dude you're just into semantics now. And a theory (whether a formal scientific theory or used in the colloquial sense) certainly can be disproven no matter what terminology you choose to use.
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You said proven not disproved. Actually, theories are falsified.
 
meauneau said:
Myself and JSN. But also anyone who is taking part in this particular discussion.

Also:

  1. 1.
    consider something theoretically or separately from (something else).
    "to abstract science and religion from their historical context can lead to anachronism"
  2. 2.
    extract or remove (something).
    "applications to abstract more water from streams"
    synonyms: extract, pump, draw (off), tap, suck, withdraw, remove, take out/away
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Now that you admited to not speaking in sufficient factual and speaking theoretical terms , Not real life


Moving forward ,

Boxing and the pure sports takes an increased knowledge requirement.

This is not saying mma doesn't take knowledge, just takes less than a pure sport

Boxing and the pure sports are the power sports

Mma is the lesser , which is why the appeal.

Hey it's entertaining and easy to watch vs a pure sport with a higher knowledge requirement has "fans" confused and frustrated " what just happened ' effect

The influenced fan with the argument that mma takes more knowledge was a promotional gimmick used to insult fans whom didn't like mma

" oh you don't like mma because you don't understand the subtleties, ya goof "

When it's just the opposite mma is easy to understand and requires less knowledge


By the way let me save you some time we both can be right , you are not changing my mind.

I posted my opinion on a boxing forum if you don't like boxing and here to insult the sport just leave , let those that enjoy it argue far more important and fan friendly arguments

Take your hate elsewhere
 
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