Netflix Why Are You Offering Kiddie Porn???

[dontsnitch]

I have never seen the film. Are you saying the actress was actually underage, not just playing an underage prostitute??

Brooke was 13 and when it was shot, yeah.

 

[HereticBD]

Given the questionable nature of your critical thinking skills, as evidenced by your choice to actually align with the Catholic Church in 2018, it's not surprising you are in favor of art censorship.

By your logic, the entire opening scene of Saving Private Ryan was entirely unnecessary and gratuitous, given that society already understands the gross brutality of war.

The issue here is exploiting children. You have to wonder what a 10 year old is being told by a film crew, wanting her to perform an orgasm, and if she grasps what she's doing. This isn't merely about depicting certain abhorrent material on film. It's about exploiting the children in the film.

That said, I suppose an argument could be made about getting children to act out any crime in a film, like murder for instance.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

So showing a completely naked 9 year old girl is ok as long as the message or art behind it is not sexually suggestive?

It depends on the context, but in most cases I think the majority of us can all agree that using children in sexual and sexually suggestive ways is wrong. One exception might be a documentary on child sex workers, depending on how it is filmed, because it could be useful in bringing to light the horrors of the child sex trade. With that being said, I don't believe most people need to see graphic images of children to understand how terrible those children have it.

I think @Smok3r made the strongest point with his question: "Would you willingly let your young daughter be portrayed in that manner?"

 

[ultramanhyata]

That said, I suppose an argument could be made about getting children to act out any crime in a film, like murder for instance.

Exactly. This all comes down to a lot of antiquated repression and discomfort that still surrounds issues of normal human sexuality.

I was masturbating by ten. It's just a fact of life, for better or worse. Some ten year old girls do, too. My first serious girlfriend told me the first time she ever had an orgasm was sliding down a banister as a little kid.

The horror!!

 

[Devout Pessimist]

I'm not sure what is so difficult to grasp here. Do you think grown adults re-enacting a war is no different than a 10-year old girl being used in a sexually suggestive scene?

If you think I am an idiot for being against children being knowingly or unknowingly sexually exploited in movies, then so be it. I am an idiot.

 

[Culombo]

itt child exploitation sympathizers exposing themselves .. how the fk are some of you defending this ? .. wicked .. anyone caught making this sort of thing should be thrown in a tank full of starving sharks .. it's no different than any other child porn/exploitation bs .. there's a definite purpose in slipping in these little scenes and none of it has to do with the child's interests

 

[Culombo]

Exactly. This all comes down to a lot of antiquated repression and discomfort that still surrounds issues of normal human sexuality.

I was masturbating by ten. It's just a fact of life, for better or worse. Some ten year old girls do, too. My first serious girlfriend told me the first time she ever had an orgasm was sliding down a banister as a little kid.

The horror!!

fkn stupid .. were adults in your presence directing you to do this ?

 

[Fawlty]

Exactly. This all comes down to a lot of antiquated repression and discomfort that still surrounds issues of normal human sexuality.

I was masturbating by ten. It's just a fact of life, for better or worse. Some ten year old girls do, too. My first serious girlfriend told me the first time she ever had an orgasm was sliding down a banister as a little kid.

The horror!!

Yeah that's a consideration too. There is nothing obscene about people discovering their sexuality. It seems to have such a major effect on our development and how we turn out that it's preposterous to say that art shouldn't be having that conversation.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

I was masturbating by ten. It's just a fact of life, for better or worse. Some ten year old girls do, too. My first serious girlfriend told me the first time she ever had an orgasm was sliding down a banister as a little kid.

The horror!!

Good for you. Maybe you should find a 10-year old boy and direct a movie about it. If people protest, then you can tell them that it is just an art-piece exploring the sexuality of young children.

 

[Culombo]

Yeah that's a consideration too. There is nothing obscene about people discovering their sexuality. It seems to have such a major effect on our development and how we turn out that it's preposterous to say that art shouldn't be having that conversation.

whatever happened to kids can't consent ? .. suddenly that doesn't matter when it comes to 'art' ? nice bullshit cover word for child exploitation

 

[Judge]

What you're really saying is that, while we know there are real 13 year old girls in this world who are being trafficked as prostitutes, and who are abused in this capacity while nude, no filmmaker should be granted the right to depict such a scene of reality in his art.

There are also underage girls in real life being fucked by old men for money. Are you ok with depicting this on screen?
You can get the gist without the depiction. You seem to be using some pedophile logic which really isn't surprising.


This is one of the most effective scenes in scarface and you see nothing on screen.

So yes, the only people politicking to get underage girls naked or severe simulated sex are pedophiles. Flat out.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

Yeah that's a consideration too. There is nothing obscene about people discovering their sexuality. It seems to have such a major effect on our development and how we turn out that it's preposterous to say that art shouldn't be having that conversation.

There is a big difference between a child discovering their sexuality and a child being sexually exploited on film.

This thread is getting very creepy.

 

[HereticBD]

Exactly. This all comes down to a lot of antiquated repression and discomfort that still surrounds issues of normal human sexuality.

I was masturbating by ten. It's just a fact of life, for better or worse. Some ten year old girls do, too. My first serious girlfriend told me the first time she ever had an orgasm was sliding down a banister as a little kid.

The horror!!

Personal experiences are different than exploitation of those experiences by and for adults, though. Just because some girls are sexually active in their pre-teens, doesn't necessarily mean it's acceptable to depict on film for public consumption. As a society, we've drawn a line at child pornography. Now, where that line is in terms of artistic expression, is up to the viewer I suppose. To some, it could be as simple as shirtless boys for example. I remember some people arguing that the cover of Nirvana's "Nevermind" was child porn. So it's certainly up for debate.

All that said, I do find it a little fucked to have a 10 year old girl performing an orgasm on film made by adults, and for adults.

 

[Fawlty]

whatever happened to kids can't consent ? .. suddenly that doesn't matter when it comes to 'art' ? nice bullshit cover word for child exploitation

Not subtle at all. If you want to know how I feel about the scene in this film you can go back and read what I wrote. Otherwise, fuck off.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

All that said, I do find it a little fucked to have a 10 year old girl performing an orgasm on film made by adults, and for adults.

I do not know how this is even being debated. There should be no question that sexually exploiting children is wrong. What exactly is there left to argue?

 

[Fawlty]

There is a big difference between a child discovering their sexuality and a child being sexually exploited on film.

This thread is getting very creepy.

Another one trying the cheap shot. You can fuck off with that too.

 

[SiKnSiN]

Brooke was 13 and when it was shot, yeah.

And then she did Blue Lagoon at 14, which was also rather sexual.

People are acting as if society is going backwards, but tbh modern movies have been much more subdued. There are so many 80s movies that could not be made today. The sexualizing of minors during that time was much more rampant and direct.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

Yeah that's a consideration too. There is nothing obscene about people discovering their sexuality. It seems to have such a major effect on our development and how we turn out that it's preposterous to say that art shouldn't be having that conversation.

Another one trying the cheap shot. You can fuck off with that too.

Cheap shot? Your avatar features a sex-pervert and you are saying that art should be in the conversation about young children discovering their sexuality. I will ask you: What exactly did you mean by "art should be having the conversation" regarding children discovering their sexuality. How should art be having this conversation?

 

[HereticBD]

I do not know how this is even being debated. There should be no question that sexually exploiting children is wrong. What exactly is there left to argue?

The varying degrees of it, I suppose. For instance, there are tons of coming of age stories where kids kiss each other in movies. That could be a line for some people. I guess the discussion is where the line is. For me, the scene in question is a line stepper.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

I wonder if she’ll be cool with this scene when she grows up, seeing as how she was essentially deceived into creating a scene, depicting such an act.

Would you allow your daughter(s) to do this?

I wouldn't want my kids in showbiz at all so no.