Netanyahu's gonna Netanyahu again

[Jukai]

gaza can barely keep electricity on so i think hamas will be open, further, i think they have to look at the situation and see that if you compare their lame rocket attacks that destroy nothing to abbas getting palestine recognized by the unga and other groups. abbas' way seems to be working much better.

plus international opinion is more against israel than ever before. obama wants nothing to do with bibi, neither does the rest of the world, and he's going to be in power over there for some time.

All the things you described works in Hamas' favor, buddy. If Gaza was doing well, they wouldn't be in power. Peace is bad for Hamas.

Gotta address this dumbness, though, if you don't mind:

btw when the muslims get nukes, and it's only a matter of time, israel is going to be in some serious trouble for how they have treated the entire region.

"When" the Arabs (I assume you meant Arabs, right? Not Muslims, who already have nukes?) get nukes, hopefully they won't use them, because if they do, the entire Middle East will be turned into a parking lot. Israel will likely detect the attack and launch their own arsenal, and everyone will die.

This isn't something you should be wishing for.

 

[IDL]

Just more political jibber jabber. Nothing a politician says should be taken seriously.

 

[Hollywood Nicky]

All the things you described works in Hamas' favor, buddy. If Gaza was doing well, they wouldn't be in power. Peace is bad for Hamas.

Gotta address this dumbness, though, if you don't mind:


"When" the Arabs (I assume you meant Arabs, right? Not Muslims, who already have nukes?) get nukes, hopefully they won't use them, because if they do, the entire Middle East will be turned into a parking lot. Israel will likely detect the attack and launch their own arsenal, and everyone will die.

This isn't something you should be wishing for.

hamas was elected because fatah wasn't doing their jobs, now we see hamas hasn't done every well progressing the cause so i think fatah would be more supported. people at the end of the day want to live in peace and security, and hamas can provide neither where the pa might be able to.

and this is the age of wmd, i've been telling you guys all along, it's only a matter of time. pakistan has them, iran will have them soon (which is why i said muslim instead of arab), other countries will follow, and there isn't much that can be done about it. americans have no interest what so ever in more middle eastern wars. so the muslims are free to get their programs moving without much threat.

that's why the arrogance of israel is really in the end going to mean the possible end of israel. don't blame me for pointing out the truth here, if israel doesnt change course, they are done for. there is nothing in place to stop this.

in the end, bush jr, by outsourcing his mid east policy to israel, by invading 2 countries, wrecking the economy, and the gop not wanting the economy to improve in hopes of getting the white house back, it has created a much stronger feeling in america of isolationism. the rise of ron and rand paul for example. americans are sick of fighting wars in other regions, iraq changed a lot in how we see these conflicts, so there is nothing that would get america to get involved in a real conflict and this will be the national attitude for at least the next decade or two.

 

[Jukai]

hamas was elected because fatah wasn't doing their jobs, now we see hamas hasn't done every well progressing the cause so i think fatah would be more supported. people at the end of the day want to live in peace and security, and hamas can provide neither where the pa might be able to.

and this is the age of wmd, i've been telling you guys all along, it's only a matter of time. pakistan has them, iran will have them soon (which is why i said muslim instead of arab), other countries will follow, and there isn't much that can be done about it. americans have no interest what so ever in more middle eastern wars. so the muslims are free to get their programs moving without much threat.

that's why the arrogance of israel is really in the end going to mean the possible end of israel. don't blame me for pointing out the truth here, if israel doesnt change course, they are done for. there is nothing in place to stop this.

in the end, bush jr, by outsourcing his mid east policy to israel, by invading 2 countries, wrecking the economy, and the gop not wanting the economy to improve in hopes of getting the white house back, it has created a much stronger feeling in america of isolationism. the rise of ron and rand paul for example. americans are sick of fighting wars in other regions, iraq changed a lot in how we see these conflicts, so there is nothing that would get america to get involved in a real conflict and this will be the national attitude for at least the next decade or two.

A few points:

1) Hamas came to be because Fatah turned down the peace deal of the century and the israel public stopped giving a shit about peace and began electing hard liners. Fatah wasn't doing a great job, true, but once things got "real bad" because Israel stopped giving a shit, Hamas came to be. And whenever things begin to get quiet, Hamas launches 400+ rockets at Israel, or kill a settler.

2) I don't disagree it's a possibility, but what I'm saying is that it won't be just Israel that vanishes if the Arab countries launch a nuke. EVERYONE in the Middle East dies.

 

[Zoti]

Hard to make peace when Israel kept up its land grabs. You don't say you want peace, while keep robbing the other side. You won't negotiate when they were divided, and now you won't negotiate when they reconciled.

The Arabs may be weak, but it won't stay that way forever. Israel's existence depends on always achieving victory. As we all know, even the greatest will lose sometime. You're a country of 7 million sitting in a region of 400 million Arabs. Good luck to you in the future in case you don't settle for what you have now.

Keep your hopes up. The last chance to destroy Israel was in 73. Even though the last 10 years were a waste of time as far as solving the Palestinian - Israeli issue, more and more arab and muslim countries are doing business with Israel.

Do you really think Egypt will fight Israel again? How about Jordan?

You don't understand that Israel is here to stay and peace is the eventual and only option. Instead you keep the arab hope of pushing the jews into the sea.

 

[Zoti]

gaza can barely keep electricity on so i think hamas will be open, further, i think they have to look at the situation and see that if you compare their lame rocket attacks that destroy nothing to abbas getting palestine recognized by the unga and other groups. abbas' way seems to be working much better.

plus international opinion is more against israel than ever before. obama wants nothing to do with bibi, neither does the rest of the world, and he's going to be in power over there for some time.

There is some logic in what you say however, like I said many times before, you don't understand the middle east. You think it is some sort of a democracy over there in the Gaza strip and one day the people will have enough of Hamas and elect a
Hilary Clinton to be president.

They are extreme and those who are not extreme are oppressed and killed by the extreme people over there. There is no voting them out or free will.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Didn't stop him from coming back his last ban :icon_neut

Nicky's like a cat - 9 lives and all.

 

[Hollywood Nicky]

A few points:

1) Hamas came to be because Fatah turned down the peace deal of the century and the israel public stopped giving a shit about peace and began electing hard liners. Fatah wasn't doing a great job, true, but once things got "real bad" because Israel stopped giving a shit, Hamas came to be. And whenever things begin to get quiet, Hamas launches 400+ rockets at Israel, or kill a settler.

2) I don't disagree it's a possibility, but what I'm saying is that it won't be just Israel that vanishes if the Arab countries launch a nuke. EVERYONE in the Middle East dies.

1. hamas had already been established in gaza and was doing better for the people than fatah. that's why they wont the election.

2. yeah i know, but israel pushes them to such a degree that they are not giving them much of a choice.

 

[Hollywood Nicky]

There is some logic in what you say however, like I said many times before, you don't understand the middle east. You think it is some sort of a democracy over there in the Gaza strip and one day the people will have enough of Hamas and elect a
Hilary Clinton to be president.

They are extreme and those who are not extreme are oppressed and killed by the extreme people over there. There is no voting them out or free will.

they are extreme in the way most failed states are extreme, nothing new, nothing unique.

and i think it's you who doesn't understand the middle east because you are so biased. who's extreme? hamas? or the israeli settlers who are stealing land? the israeli government who is stealing land and occupying?

you see israel with blinders on, i see them for what they are. extremists.

 

[Hollywood Nicky]

Nicky's like a cat - 9 lives and all.

i don't get much love from the mods like people think i do. ffs man, i'm sporting dubs LITERALLY for calling someone an "idiot" for calling me a "cyborg nut licker" in the heavies. he calls me a nut licker, and nothing happens, i call him an "idiot" and i get dubs.

lol. just sayin. not a whole lot of love from the mods as of late.

 

[Jukai]

1. hamas had already been established in gaza and was doing better for the people than fatah. that's why they wont the election.

Well, Fatah was incredibly corrupt (Arafat takin' fucking millions from the people, the dirtbag) so of course Hamas had a grassroots following, but its "No peace until the Jews are gone or dead" attitude didn't really gain total support until the collapse of the Clinton Accords thanks to our beloved Arafat.

2. yeah i know, but israel pushes them to such a degree that they are not giving them much of a choice.

Think about this one a bit. There are 14 Arab nations in the Middle East. They are all living successfully (minus the whole Arab spring) next to Israel. Are you suggesting that mutual destruction started by the Arab nations is better than trying to get along with israel?

 

[Chesten_Hesten]

i don't get much love from the mods like people think i do. ffs man, i'm sporting dubs LITERALLY for calling someone an "idiot" for calling me a "cyborg nut licker" in the heavies. he calls me a nut licker, and nothing happens, i call him an "idiot" and i get dubs.

lol. just sayin. not a whole lot of love from the mods as of late.

" in the heavies"

I hear this often, but where is it? Which section is the heavies?

Anybody?

 

[Its Me Austin]

You've been here since 06 and don't know that?

 

[Chesten_Hesten]

You've been here since 06 and don't know that?

Absolutely.

I only learned how to quote last year.

So where is it?

 

[Hollywood Nicky]

Absolutely.

I only learned how to quote last year.

So where is it?

lmfao! get your shit together bro!

 

[Hollywood Nicky]

Well, Fatah was incredibly corrupt (Arafat takin' fucking millions from the people, the dirtbag) so of course Hamas had a grassroots following, but its "No peace until the Jews are gone or dead" attitude didn't really gain total support until the collapse of the Clinton Accords thanks to our beloved Arafat.



Think about this one a bit. There are 14 Arab nations in the Middle East. They are all living successfully (minus the whole Arab spring) next to Israel. Are you suggesting that mutual destruction started by the Arab nations is better than trying to get along with israel?

1. you can't just blame arafat, clinton openly admits now that bibi was tanking the talks, bibi was caught ON TAPE saying he sabatoged oslo. so stop being so 1 sided. bibi had no intention of there being peace and he ADMITS IT.


Woman: The Oslo Accords are a disaster.

Netanyahu: Yes. You know that and I knew that

 

[evansusmc2]

Hard to make peace when Israel kept up its land grabs. You don't say you want peace, while keep robbing the other side. You won't negotiate when they were divided, and now you won't negotiate when they reconciled.

The Arabs may be weak, but it won't stay that way forever. Israel's existence depends on always achieving victory. As we all know, even the greatest will lose sometime. You're a country of 7 million sitting in a region of 400 million Arabs. Good luck to you in the future in case you don't settle for what you have now.

Every extremist Muslim in the world says exactly what you said here. And IF Israel is is going to "lose" I seriously don't see it happening in our life time or your kids' life time.

 

[Jukai]

Ok Nicky, I'm only going to go through this once again. I've already thoroughly proved how you're lying through your teeth by disingenuous presenting that quote. Are you posting it again to try and fool more people?

The Oslo Accords went through. They were signed. Do you not know what they are?
This is Bibi gloating about his power. Read what he fucking said. The security zones would originally be defined by both Palestine and Israel--- and Bibi threw a hissy fit and got it so that only Israel could define security zones. And that was ok with Arafat, because he didn't give a shit, he just wanted Palestinian recognition so he could actually have war. And Yitzhak Rabin didn't care, because he wanted peace.
Bibi didn't kill the Oslo Accords, you fucking idiot.

FURTHERMORE, here is the link YOU REFUSE TO DIRECTLY LINK. This is where the quote came from where Clinton blames Bibi for the peace deals failing.
You know what he actually says?
That before Netanyahu came to power, it was Arafat's fault. AFTER Netanyahu came into power, it was Israel's fault.
It actually mirrors my exact beliefs.

I hope you get banned.

 

[evansusmc2]

" in the heavies"

I hear this often, but where is it? Which section is the heavies?

Anybody?

Hey boys and girls, Time for a Sherdog History lesson.

UFC Discussion (f2) use to be called "The Heavies" from 2006 - 2009.

The f2 forums has gone through many name changes in the past 13 years.

Here is the break down:

2001 - 2004: NHB Discussion - This was the original name for the f2 forum.

2004 - 2006: MMA Disscussion - As the sport started to progress it was time to change the forum name.

2006 - TBA: Worldwide MMA Discussion (f61) - Due to so many board members complaining about the UFC vs Prides threads in 2006 all other MMA related topics were moved and designated to this forum which still exist today.

2006 - 2009: The Heavyweights commonly reffered to as "the Heavies", this was the forum to discuss everything UFC and Pride related.

2009 - 2011: UFC and WEC discussion - This was created during the era when Pride ended and WEC was purchased by Zuffa.

2011 - TBA: UFC Discussion - A year after WEC was put to a halt this was and is the current name for the f2 forum.

The exact years I listed MIGHT not be right but if not they are pretty damn close.

 

[Bubba2086**]

How long until Dana promotes the first ever one on one hand to hand combat match between an Israeli and a Palestinian? Imagine the ratings. Does this idea sound charming to you?