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While the NBA's investigation is ongoing into alleged cap circumvention by the Los Angeles Clippers and owner Steve Ballmer by way of a "no-show" endorsement deal for Kawhi Leonard with now-bankrupt company Aspiration, more details are coming to light.

Investigative sports journalist Pablo Torre previously broke the story on his podcast, "Pablo Torre Finds Out," and a fourth episode dedicated to this scandal released Thursday morning offers further reporting and more details about alleged funding from Ballmer and the Clippers into Aspiration, even after it was already clear the company was faltering. The episode features some key unveilings in this latest installment in the Leonard saga.

The biggest: three installments of prepaid carbon credit purchases from the Clippers in 2022 -- two years before the Intuit Dome even opened -- totaling $56 million. Those payments were made from April 1, 2022, to June 17, 2022, and aligned closely with Leonard signing his deal with Aspiration and the due date of his first quarterly payment. A $32 million purchase of carbon credits was made on April 4, the same day Leonard signed his endorsement deal. Again, that deal was never disclosed publicly, and Leonard never fulfilled any actual duties for it other than getting paid.

That is notable because Mark Cuban, who has defended Ballmer publicly in this scandal, wrote on Twitter that the "easier and safer" way to circumvent the CBA would've been to purchase more carbon credits rather than simply investing in the company.


In a statement, the Clippers explain the massive purchases in carbon credits weren't just to offset the Intuit Dome, but rather to go "far beyond" those requirements:

Steve and his family are focused on sustainability, which is why Intuit Dome was designed to be a carbon neutral building from its inception and to achieve LEED Zero status over time.

Our development agreements for the arena included mandates to buy carbon credits, but after studying the issue of neutrality, we went far beyond those requirements, exploring ways to address emissions from our fans and contracting with Aspiration to directly purchase carbon offsets, as well as broker the acquisition of additional offsets.

Some of those commitments were built into the sponsorship deal with Aspiration — totally separate of the investment in the company — and we made payments to Aspiration until the company was unable to fulfill their responsibilities.

The effort reflects Steve wanting to set a positive example and raise awareness of the growing and important role of voluntary carbon markets. Unfortunately he was duped on the investment and some parts of this agreement, as were many other investors and employees."
Torre also dug into a $10 million investment made by Ballmer's LLC in March 2023. Ballmer's main line of defense has been that he was defrauded by Aspiration, but this investment was made well after Aspiration's troubles began and all of those problems had to be disclosed in contracts. That final investment from Ballmer was made just weeks before a government investigation into the company began and three days after Forbes ran a story on the "floundering" company's situation.

The timeline creates some additional questions about Ballmer's assertion that he was simply defrauded like everyone else. Torre also revealed that Ballmer's last investment for stock in the company, which disclosed in contracts that it was in default, was for $23 per share -- more than double the $11 share price he'd initially bought in for back in September 2021.

Ballmer and Clippers' limited partner Dennis Wong, who allegedly invested $2 million in Aspiration just before a late payment was made to Leonard, were the only additional investors in Aspiration's last round of fundraising. Torre found that 19 investment firms turned them down in what founder Joe Sandberg called in a deposition, unveiled by Torre, a "vigorous" attempt to raise funds in late 2022 and early 2023.

The question that remains for the NBA is what, exactly, all of this means in terms of proving the Clippers circumvented the cap. We know what Clippers' case will be for explaining the massive carbon credits purchase from the statement they provided, but the continued investment in Aspiration when no one else would from an otherwise incredibly savvy businessman raises plenty of eyebrows. It's certainly possible Ballmer made a bad investment, but the question now is why he went back for more when others wouldn't.

The league will have to determine whether this enough proof, or if it's too circumstantial to prompt a significant punishment. The problem is that as more becomes unveiled about the situation, public opinion is being shaped -- not just for fans, but other owners and people who work for teams around the league.


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Fucking lmao
 
Public opinion means fuck all to the NBA. They can keep up with this story on TikTok and Twitter.
 
I don't really care about this whole clipper/kawhi ordeal but Cuban made some sense here. read the string

 
Oh, so this is why Cuban was out there defending Ballmer.

Streisand effect.




Yea, people are starting to wake up to the possibility that this is a widespread problem that multiple owners engage in and that the reason why Mark Cuban is defending Ballmer so hard is because he probably did something similar with Dirk. "FlightMike" did a 20 minute video about it and although he isn't some big name in the industry, he consistently covers basketball year after year.

 
Yea, people are starting to wake up to the possibility that this is a widespread problem that multiple owners engage in and that the reason why Mark Cuban is defending Ballmer so hard is because he probably did something similar with Dirk.


Nobody actually cares except people terminally online.
 
Nobody actually cares except people terminally online.

I think the league cares man, and FlightMike in that video makes a persuasive argument that this is a wider problem that could turn out to be the biggest scandal in basketball history. Cuban is writing on X at 2am doing everything in his power to defend Ballmer and make this go away. Why? He's doing it so much people are just staring his direction like wtf man, you are seriously going to war over something that has nothing to do with you? Its hitting too close to home for Cuban and he may have done the same with Dirk who took numerous pay cuts. I don't think this is going away, if anything it could get bigger and nastier. Cuban cares so much about it he told Tores he should invest his money in a securities lawyer.
 
I think the league cares man, and FlightMike in that video makes a persuasive argument that this is a wider problem that could turn out to be the biggest scandal in basketball history. Cuban is writing on X at 2am doing everything in his power to defend Ballmer and make this go away. Why? He's doing it so much people are just staring his direction like wtf man, you are seriously going to war over something that has nothing to do with you? Its hitting too close to home for Cuban and he may have done the same with Dirk who took numerous pay cuts. I don't think this is going away, if anything it could get bigger and nastier. Cuban cares so much about it he told Tores he should invest his money in a securities lawyer.
Dude, the commissioner just said to watch highlights on tiktok. Aint nobody fucking caring lmao
 
LSU rolling tonight. Side note. My old mentor as a kid was on Southeastern Radio tonight for an interview. Such a great man. His name is Billy Andrews. Played 11 years as LB in the NFL mainly for the Browns. Noted for intercepting Joe Namaths pass on the first Monday night football game and returning it for a touchdown to seal the game. Truly one of the greatest men I've known.
For some reason I can't post the link.
 
Yea, people are starting to wake up to the possibility that this is a widespread problem that multiple owners engage in and that the reason why Mark Cuban is defending Ballmer so hard is because he probably did something similar with Dirk. "FlightMike" did a 20 minute video about it and although he isn't some big name in the industry, he consistently covers basketball year after year.


Unless they have this in writing which from my understanding they don’t then this is a big nothing burger. Pablo Torre got access to a bunch of info that was already public and thought he found some smoking gun. It sounds to me like he needs to take some business classes.
 
Nobody actually cares except people terminally online.


Yeah, the NBA is so niche now that this might not even be a real scandal even if multipleother franchises get exposed. It's just further proof of how Silver and LeBron have tanked the league's popularity.
 
Yeah, the NBA is so niche now that this might not even be a real scandal even if multipleother franchises get exposed. It's just further proof of how Silver and LeBron have tanked the league's popularity.
Its somehow LeBron's fault Silver cared to send the NBA to China instead of focusing on building the brand in the domestic market?
 
Unless they have this in writing which from my understanding they don’t then this is a big nothing burger. Pablo Torre got access to a bunch of info that was already public and thought he found some smoking gun. It sounds to me like he needs to take some business classes.
Whether anything comes from this or not, I don’t think anybody should call out Pablo torre. I mean the amount evidence is insane. I mean Ballmer is saying he got duped and defrauded. But Torre pointed out that ballmer was the last person still putting millions into this company at the same time they were under investigation federally, Forbes was writing articles about the company collapsing and no other investor wanted anything to do with them, yet ballmer was buying stocks still at more than double the price of his initial purchases. . If you believe that, then it is Steve ballmer that apparently needs to take business classes not Pablo torre. Everyone should agree it sus as fuck whether it can be proven or not
 
Whether anything comes from this or not, I don’t think anybody should call out Pablo torre. I mean the amount evidence is insane. I mean Ballmer is saying he got duped and defrauded. But Torre pointed out that ballmer was the last person still putting millions into this company at the same time they were under investigation federally, Forbes was writing articles about the company collapsing and no other investor wanted anything to do with them, yet ballmer was buying stocks still at more than double the price of his initial purchases. . If you believe that, then it is Steve ballmer that apparently needs to take business classes not Pablo torre. Everyone should agree it sus as fuck whether it can be proven or not
According to Cuban they were close to being public and needed 150 million more in funding. Him putting additional funds makes sense since his small investment could have made a lucrative amount if they had gone public.

Risk vs reward considering his wealth was nothing. He broke it down pretty good so if you want all the details read his tweets but it doesn’t sound like the smoking gun torre thought he had.

Unless torre has some contract drawn up indicating these funds are earmarked for Leonard this all a bunch of circunstancial evidence which will probably only lead to a slap on the wrist.
 
According to Cuban they were close to being public and needed 150 million more in funding. Him putting additional funds makes sense since his small investment could have made a lucrative amount if they had gone public.

Risk vs reward considering his wealth was nothing. He broke it down pretty good so if you want all the details read his tweets but it doesn’t sound like the smoking gun torre thought he had.

Unless torre has some contract drawn up indicating these funds are earmarked for Leonard this all a bunch of circunstancial evidence which will probably only lead to a slap on the wrist.
ive deep dived into this pretty hard and have read more than most people, including cubans tweets, some of witch dont even make sense. something cuban has not rebutted, is that ballmer was pumping money into this company when literally no one else would, they were being actively investigated for fraud, forbes magazine was going public with their struggles and they were on the brink of filing for bankruptcy and ballmer was like "more carbon credits please". Unless Ballmer is the stupidest business man walking earth (hes not) than thats pretty incriminating.

But like I have said numerous times throughout this thread, I ultimately dont think anything comes from this because of the lack of a smoking gun proof that ballmer signed "pay him illegally to circumvent the cap please" documents. My last post that you responded to was just meant to point out that even the skeptics who think this all bs should probably agree that torre had enough evidence that he shouldnt be called out for his reporting.
 
someone tell me some of the most actionable determinants to outcomes in game results and individual player props so i can feed them to my chatgpt prediction machine
 
Dude, the commissioner just said to watch highlights on tiktok. Aint nobody fucking caring lmao
What's the point of a cap and all this apron crap, if teams can just skirt around it?
 
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