Naturopathy

[Treeloy]

Ive detoxed with a supplement before. Anyone who thinks you cant detox taking certain supplements is wrong. You can. It can be dangerous though. I dont want to say what I took because I dont want to influence others, you could really cause harm to yourself.

As others have said clean up your diet. Pure clean water is the most important thing you can put in your body. Not tap water, which is filled with chemicals, or bottled, which is filled with plastic particles.

Find a good source of water

 

[Treeloy]

What ages our cells and body is inflammation. Everything we eat causes inflammation. Studies have shown those who live on calorie restricted diets live longer healthier lives and are in better health.

Obviously eating healthier foods results in less inflammation as well

 

[Phlog]

You know that alternative medicine that can be shown to work becomes medicine.

The rest is placebo. More or less.

 

[TheGZA]

>2018
>Visiting a Witch Doctor

 

[jefferz]

A few different things. I'm interested in detoxification, boosting metabolism, joint pain management. It doesn't cost me anything to see one, so I figure why not. Right?

In 6 months we’ll see a thread titled “how I lost my kidney”

 

[BTard]

I get 'therapeutic' massages with a happy ending and my insurance pays because I get a receipt. My insurance will not pay for a naturopathic 'doctor' under any circumstances.
What does that tell you?

 

[Andy Capp]

I get 'therapeutic' massages with a happy ending and my insurance pays because I get a receipt. My insurance will not pay for a naturopathic 'doctor' under any circumstances.
What does that tell you?
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One of the mods from Australia claimed public health insurance there covers it. Ugh if true.

 

[BTard]

One of the mods from Australia claimed public health insurance there covers it. Ugh if true.

Mine doesn't (canada, federal employee with awesome coverage). My ex is certified naturopath and she's fucking crazier than a shithouse rat. Believe, conceive, achieve type shit. Envision money coming your way and it will type shit. Shakeology, coffee colonics, you name it, she buys into it. I'm sure she'd unvaccinate our daughter if she could.
She liked ass to mouth too.

 

[Andy Capp]

Mine doesn't (canada, federal employee with awesome coverage). My ex is certified naturopath and she's fucking crazier than a shithouse rat. Believe, conceive, achieve type shit. Envision money coming your way and it will type shit. Shakeology, coffee colonics, you name it, she buys into it. I'm sure she'd unvaccinate our daughter if she could.
She liked ass to mouth too.
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Righto, I'm glad we've got enough sense to stick to scientific consensus on this. That would be the kind of thing that could get me marching in the streets.

Edit: the march slogan would be, "You're spending taxpayer money on what, motherfucker?"

 

[facePuncher7]

What ages our cells and body is inflammation.

This is incorrect, the decay of organic matter is well understood, and there is no evidence that supports your statement.

Anyone who thinks you cant detox taking certain supplements is wrong. You can.

You can't. Same as previous statement, there is absolutely no evidence to support it, and a massive amount of understanding to the contrary.

 

[Naught2Sixty]

How is seeing one free? You don't have a co-pay?

 

[PhitePhan]

Why would anyone waste the time?

Proabably the best way to avoid the "benefits" of allopathic medicine...

Medical Errors Are No. 3 Cause Of U.S Deaths, Researchers Say

https://www.npr.org/sections/health...ertificates-undercount-toll-of-medical-errors

 

[Pugilistic]

For some reason I read it as Narutopathy. Like a type of treatment that uses anime to cure you.

 

[therealdope]

Detoxification happens in the liver, there is no alternative method of detoxifying the body, and even if you could there would be no need.

/thread

 

[Lubaolong]

Proabably the best way to avoid the "benefits" of allopathic medicine...

Medical Errors Are No. 3 Cause Of U.S Deaths, Researchers Say

https://www.npr.org/sections/health...ertificates-undercount-toll-of-medical-errors

2 quick points before I go to sleep:

1. How many additional people would die annually without allopathic medicine? The number would be ridiculous.

2. Have you read the study? Anyone who works in healthcare would balk at the idea that errors were the 3rd leading cause of death. Let's look at the most common causes:

• heart disease
• cancer
• chronic lower respiratory diseases
• accidents (unintentional injuries)
• stroke (cerebrovascular diseases)
• Alzheimer’s disease

Medical errors kill more people than accidents? Strokes? Alzheimers? Because I see tons of these deaths, but I can't think of a single death I've seen that was attributed to medical error. How could that be if they are the 3rd leading cause?

The answer lies in the way the authors of this study define medical errors:
-An unintended act (either of commission or omission)
-An act that does not achieve its intended outcome
-The failure of a planned action to be completed (an error of execution)
-The use of a wrong plan to achieve an aim (an error of planning)
-Deviation from the process of care.

A patient's in the hospital from a car accident, and they come down with pneumonia? Medical error.
A patient is started on antibiotics for pneumonia and develops c.diff? Medical error.
An 85 year old 400 lb man with uncontrolled diabetes and end stage renal disease comes to the hospital with an infected foot ulcer, becomes septic while in hospital, dies? Medical error.
A patient comes to the hospital with end stage cancer, is started immediately on appropriate evidence-based treatment, but because of the severity of the disease and limitations of current medications, the patient dies? Medical error.

They are equating complications and unavoidable events with medical errors (implying physician fault). Total nonsense.

 

[salamander]

It's a known fact that drinking a nice tall refreshing glass saliva that came from a rabid dog will cure your growling stomach...or something.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4158320/rabid-dog-saliva-health-canada-approval/

 

[PhitePhan]

2 quick points before I go to sleep:

1. How many additional people would die annually without allopathic medicine? The number would be ridiculous.

2. Have you read the study? Anyone who works in healthcare would balk at the idea that errors were the 3rd leading cause of death. Let's look at the most common causes:

• heart disease
• cancer
• chronic lower respiratory diseases
• accidents (unintentional injuries)
• stroke (cerebrovascular diseases)
• Alzheimer’s disease

Medical errors kill more people than accidents? Strokes? Alzheimers? Because I see tons of these deaths, but I can't think of a single death I've seen that was attributed to medical error. How could that be if they are the 3rd leading cause?

The answer lies in the way the authors of this study define medical errors:
-An unintended act (either of commission or omission)
-An act that does not achieve its intended outcome
-The failure of a planned action to be completed (an error of execution)
-The use of a wrong plan to achieve an aim (an error of planning)
-Deviation from the process of care.

A patient's in the hospital from a car accident, and they come down with pneumonia? Medical error.
A patient is started on antibiotics for pneumonia and develops c.diff? Medical error.
An 85 year old 400 lb man with uncontrolled diabetes and end stage renal disease comes to the hospital with an infected foot ulcer, becomes septic while in hospital, dies? Medical error.
A patient comes to the hospital with end stage cancer, is started immediately on appropriate evidence-based treatment, but because of the severity of the disease and limitations of current medications, the patient dies? Medical error.

They are equating complications and unavoidable events with medical errors (implying physician fault). Total nonsense.

You're first "quick point" is a complete non sequiter, as if this is an all or nothing issue.

Regarding your apologetics demonstrated in your second point, this is far from the only study to high light this very real problem. Nonetheless, this research was conducted by a prestigious university, Johns Hopkins, and peer-reviewed.

What about the Inspector General Report from DHHS?

"Of the nearly 1 million Medicare beneficiaries discharged from hospitals in October 2008, about 1 in 7 experienced an adverse event that met at least 1 of our criteria (13.5 percent)."

https://oig.hhs.gov/oei/reports/oei-06-09-00090.pdf

Here's another independent study:

A New, Evidence-based Estimate of Patient Harms Associated with Hospital Care

"Using a weighted average of the 4 studies, a lower limit of 210,000 deaths per year was associated with preventable harm in hospitals. Given limitations in the search capability of the Global Trigger Tool and the incompleteness of medical records on which the Tool depends, the true number of premature deaths associated with preventable harm to patients was estimated at more than 400,000 per year. Serious harm seems to be 10- to 20-fold more common than lethal harm."

https://journals.lww.com/journalpat...idence_based_Estimate_of_Patient_Harms.2.aspx

There plenty of other studies that detail this epidemic, and these numbers are suggested to be low estimates due to poor data collection (go figure hospitals don't keep good data on the people they harm).

 

[miaou]

Detoxification happens in the liver, there is no alternative method of detoxifying the body, and even if you could there would be no need.

Well, you could do hemodialysis..

 

[Lubaolong]

You're first "quick point" is a complete non sequiter, as if this is an all or nothing issue.

Regarding your apologetics demonstrated in your second point, this is far from the only study to high light this very real problem. Nonetheless, this research was conducted by a prestigious university, Johns Hopkins, and peer-reviewed.

What about the Inspector General Report from DHHS?

"Of the nearly 1 million Medicare beneficiaries discharged from hospitals in October 2008, about 1 in 7 experienced an adverse event that met at least 1 of our criteria (13.5 percent)."

https://oig.hhs.gov/oei/reports/oei-06-09-00090.pdf

Here's another independent study:

A New, Evidence-based Estimate of Patient Harms Associated with Hospital Care

"Using a weighted average of the 4 studies, a lower limit of 210,000 deaths per year was associated with preventable harm in hospitals. Given limitations in the search capability of the Global Trigger Tool and the incompleteness of medical records on which the Tool depends, the true number of premature deaths associated with preventable harm to patients was estimated at more than 400,000 per year. Serious harm seems to be 10- to 20-fold more common than lethal harm."

https://journals.lww.com/journalpat...idence_based_Estimate_of_Patient_Harms.2.aspx

There plenty of other studies that detail this epidemic, and these numbers are suggested to be low estimates due to poor data collection (go figure hospitals don't keep good data on the people they harm).

Prestige of the university has nothing to do with the issues I pointed out. These are poor ramen noodle eating researchers who love to shit on wealthy doctors and are fishing for more research funding. It seems pretty clear they framed the data in a way to raise eyebrows of people who don’t really understand what’s going on. The same is true of the other crap you posted. Patients don’t always get better when they go to the hospital. There are unavoidable complications at times. It doesn’t mean a healthcare worker made an error. A patient lifestyle error would be more accurate in most instances. At least half of these patients are sick, in the hospital, and having unfavorable outcomes and complications due to poor choices they made themselves. The top 3 causes of death (heart disease, cancer, lung disease) are mostly from smoking and being a fat ass.

 

[stevenandrew]

If it doesn't cost you anything, go for it. As you said, why not. But they are probably going to suggest that you spend a lot of money on this and that, so that's where I would draw the line because the this and that possibly won't do any good.

If their advice is to change your diet - and then advise you how to do that - and do gentle exercises and stretches, which they show you how to do, THEN I would trust them. But if it's gonna end up costing you a lot for dubious supplements and follow-up therapy which will cost you money, then I would be cautious.

I wonder why you think your metabolism needs boosting, and why you think you need detoxification. I think detox is a great thing, but there are so many bogus methods of naturopath winnipeg mb.

Yes, I’ve been to a naturopath before. The experience was quite different from a regular doctor’s visit—more time spent discussing overall lifestyle, diet, and long-term health goals. They tend to focus on natural remedies and prevention, which can be helpful depending on what you're looking for. That said, results can vary a lot depending on the practitioner, so it's worth checking their credentials and making sure they’re licensed if your state requires it. If you have a specific condition, it’s a good idea to use naturopathy as a complement to conventional care, not a replacement.