International [NATO News] What Sweden brings to NATO as its Newest Member

Orban is Warshaw block No2.
Hungary in 2022 th managed to delay collective assistance bills for Ukraine and recently managed to delay 50b bill approwal for 2 months.

Now they ofc will attempt to delay another 20b collective bill approwal process, there are 0 doubts about this.
Orban also is advocating other countries not to supply weapons to Ukraine and advises them to force Ukraine to " negotiate " [ read: surround ] with Putin.
When Hungary will have land border with Russia most likely Orban will cede Hungary to Russia and ....
 
NATO countries should stop sell weapons to Hungary because there's maybe is risk that Orban might re export these to Russia despite clauses in sales contracts.
Orban wants to get HIMARS and a lot of other stuff.
 
Not sure if anyone was paying attention, it doesn’t matter as he’s backed down now but Charles Micheal planned to step down as President of the European council to stand as a MEP (elections in June).

As his mandate was until November the rules meant that he would be replaced until that time by the head of state of the country holding the presidency. Who takes the presidency from belgium in July? Hungary!!!!

He backed down last week but could you imagine what a wild 4 months that would have been!!
 
- I read the news yesterday.

Hungary’s ruling party boycotts parliament session on Sweden’s NATO bid​

Hungary is the only NATO member yet to approve Sweden’s accession to the military alliance.

Lawmakers from Hungary’s ruling party have boycotted an emergency parliament session in which a vote on Sweden’s bid to join NATO was on the agenda.

At Monday’s session, which was supported by six opposition parties, Fidesz lawmakers didn’t attend, scuttling the attempt to place a vote on the National Assembly’s schedule.

Turkey’s parliament voted to approve Sweden’s accession in January, making Hungary the last of the world’s largest military alliance’s 31 members not to do so.

Sweden had pursued a policy of military non-alignment since the Cold War. However, Russia’s full-scale invasion of its neighbour Ukraine in 2022 caused upheaval in geopolitical calculations, and Stockholm applied to become a NATO member that same year.

Hungary has maintained close ties with Russia since its invasion of Ukraine, and while it has said it supports the Swedish bid in principle, Budapest has been dragging its feet for months.

Prime Minister Viktor Orban told NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg last month that he would urge his Fidesz party to ratify the bid “at the first possible opportunity”.

On Friday, the United States embassy reminded Orban in a statement that he promised to act “at the first opportunity” and “Monday’s session provides him with one”.

Several ambassadors from NATO member countries attended Monday’s proceedings, including US Ambassador David Pressman.


In brief comments to the media after the session, Pressman said the US looks forward to “watching this closely and to Hungary acting expeditiously”.

“Sweden’s NATO accession is an issue that directly affects the United States’s national security and affects the security of our alliance as a whole,” he said, reminding Orban of his pledge.

Orban is delaying the vote due to his “personal vanity”, Agnes Vadai from the biggest opposition party told the Agence France-Presse news agency.

She accused the prime minister of seeking to “make headlines in the international press while making a gesture to Russian President Vladimir Putin by undermining the unity of NATO and the EU”.

In a separate statement, US senator Ben Cardin, a Maryland Democrat and chairperson of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, raised the prospect of imposing sanctions on Hungary for its conduct and called Orban “the least reliable member of NATO”.

Hungarian officials have indicated that Fidesz lawmakers won’t support holding a vote on Sweden’s NATO bid until Swedish Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson accepts an invitation by Orban to visit Budapest to negotiate the matter.

Kristersson said he will make the trip but only after Hungary approves his country’s NATO membership.

Fidesz said in a statement on Monday that ratification of Sweden’s NATO accession can take place during a regular session of parliament, “but we are expecting the Swedish prime minister to visit Hungary first.”

“If this is an important issue for the Swedes, the Swedish prime minister will obviously come to Budapest,” the party said.

Hungary’s National Assembly is scheduled to reconvene on February 26, and ratification could take place quickly once it has received Orban’s approval.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024...ycotts-parliament-session-on-swedens-nato-bid

- They need to send Dolph Lundgren to talk with this fatso!
 
Not sure if anyone was paying attention, it doesn’t matter as he’s backed down now but Charles Micheal planned to step down as President of the European council to stand as a MEP (elections in June).

As his mandate was until November the rules meant that he would be replaced until that time by the head of state of the country holding the presidency. Who takes the presidency from belgium in July? Hungary!!!!

He backed down last week but could you imagine what a wild 4 months that would have been!!
Most likely EU will not allow...because not only Hungary had managed to delay collective assistance bill for Ukr in 2022 th and recently delayed 50 b EUR bill for Ukr approwal 2 months in row....
Hungary also had delayed a lot of decisions in EU not related to Ukraine or Russia.
Orban in open text multiple times had stated that he wants to continue purchase natural gas, crude oil, nuclear fuel, fertilizers etc from Russia and to trade with Russia and Orban multiple times had stated that sanctions should be.....reduced.
 
reason why Orban get cocky is changes in Slovak government.
Before this it was theoretically easier to kick Hungary out of EU ... while now looks that new Slovak PM supports Orban...
 
Does hungarians have an opinion on any of this? From reporting you'd think the country is just one overweight old guy.
 
Does hungarians have an opinion on any of this? From reporting you'd think the country is just one overweight old guy.
I don't know.
Hungarians are nice ppl but they does have Orban.

I'm not talking about NATO or Ukr stuff only.
Besides this Orban had successfully managed to delay xx collective decisions in EU ( not related to NATO or Ukr or Russia ).
Literally like last stage cancer....
 
FINALLY!


Hungary and Turkey dragged it out as long as they could, but no more!
The last obstacle is over.
Sweden is in NATO.
Only a few practical formalities remains.




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Hungary is expected to deliver the ratification to the US state department (the official depository of the accession protocols of all NATO members) within a week.
The formal raising of the Swedish flag in front of NATO HQ in Brussels, is expected within two weeks.
 
Its official. Sweden has left its 200 years of neutrality behind (212 years to be exact).
Every thing that should be signed have been signed and delivered to where they were to be delivered.

The Swedish flag will be raised outside of NATO HQ on Monday, but that is a formal ceremony.
Sweden is a NATO member.
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Sweden officially joins NATO, becoming alliance’s 32nd member

By Christian Edwards, Radina Gigova, Jennifer Hansler and Mariya Knight | March 7, 2024



Sweden officially joined NATO on Thursday after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine spurred it to rethink its defense policy and abandon its long held position of neutrality.

Swedish Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson formally handed over accession documents to the US State Department in Washington, DC, the final step of a months-long process to gain the approval of all members to allow his country to become the alliance’s 32nd member.

US Secretary of State Antony Blinken received the documents, which he said were the product of “nearly two years of tireless diplomacy” by NATO members. The documents are put into a vault at the State Department, which serves as the treaty depositary for NATO.

Sweden joining NATO was scarcely conceivable a little more than two years ago. The country remained neutral in both World Wars but when Russian troops began marching toward Kyiv in February 2022, Sweden – and its Nordic neighbor Finland – became alert to the threat Moscow could pose to nearby countries outside the alliance.

Finland – which shares a 1,300 kilometer (830 mile) border with Russia – officially joined in April 2023, more than doubling NATO’s border with Russia in a blow to President Vladimir Putin, who has sought to stem any growth of the alliance.

“If you step back and think of where we were three years ago, none of this was foreordained – and in fact, none of this was foreseeable,” Blinken said.

Blinken noted Sweden’s “200-year-old policy of non-alignment” – which stretches back to the Napoleonic Wars – and the Swedish population’s lack of appetite to join the alliance before Russia’s invasion.

“Then everything changed,” he said.

US President Joe Biden heralded Sweden’s accession, which he said made the bloc “more united, determined and dynamic than ever,” and able to “stand for freedom and democracy for generations to come.”

The move came just hours before Biden is set to deliver his State of the Union address, in which he is expected to draw sharp contrasts between his stance on issues of democracy and key alliances like NATO and that of his predecessor Donald Trump. Kristersson will be a guest of the First Lady at the address.

UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak also welcomed the news, describing it as a “historic moment.”

“Like Finland, Sweden shares our values and principles and they share our unwavering commitment to international security in the face of Russia’s threats and their barbaric war in Ukraine,” Sunak said. “Sweden and Finland’s membership will make NATO stronger and the whole Euro-Atlantic more secure.”

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said Sweden’s accession was a win for everyone, calling the country “a strong ally and a country that can be trusted.”

“Ukraine has always supported Sweden in its pursuit of NATO membership, and I thank Sweden for its support of our country – there will be a day when Sweden will be able to congratulate Ukraine on joining the alliance as well. Together, we are always stronger,” he said.

Kristersson thanked his allies for welcoming Sweden into the bloc.

“We will strive for unity, solidarity and burden-sharing, and will fully adhere to the Washington Treaty values: freedom, democracy, individual liberty and the rule of law. Stronger together,” he said in a statement.

While Finland became NATO’s 31st member without major obstacles, Sweden’s bid to join the bloc was for months obstructed by Turkey and Hungary, which enjoy friendly relations with Moscow and delayed ratifying Stockholm’s accession.

Turkey’s parliament voted in January to approve Sweden’s bid after months of tensions between the two nations, sparked primarily by a spate of Quran-burning protests in Sweden that enraged Turkish lawmakers.

But Hungary made Sweden wait even longer, with Prime Minister Viktor Orban declining to green-light its bid on several occasions. Hungary’s parliament eventually approved Sweden’s accession last month.

NATO’s next annual summit will be held in July in Washington, DC, and will mark the alliance’s 75th anniversary.

 
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What Sweden brings to NATO

The traditionally neutral country has built a formidable military-industrial complex — something that will bolster the alliance as it faces Russian President Vladimir Putin.
By Lucia Mackenzie | March 7, 2024

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Sweden is joining NATO, and it's not coming empty-handed.

Sweden's membership is a huge geopolitical boost for NATO. Alliance members now encircle the Baltic Sea (with the exception of the narrow entry to St. Petersburg on the Gulf of Finland and the Russian exclave of Kaliningrad). As well as making life difficult for Russia's Baltic Sea Fleet, it also gives the alliance the ability to monitor critical pipelines and cables beneath the surface.

Sweden is also a pocket military power. Despite a population of only 10 million, and last year spending only 1.54 percent of its GDP on defense, the country's centuries of neutrality have forced it to develop a world-class military-industrial complex.

It makes everything from Saab JAS 39 Gripen single-engine supersonic fighters to Carl Gustav recoilless rifles, AT4 shoulder-fired anti-tank weapons, Gotland-class submarines, and RBS15 anti-ship missiles. It also cooperates with other military producers, with one example being the Stridsvagn 122, the Swedish version of the German Leopard 2 tank.

Sweden first applied for NATO membership in May 2022, along with Finland, just three months after Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine. While Finland successfully joined the alliance in just under a year, Sweden's road to membership was elongated and faced significant opposition from Turkey and Hungary.

Following Swedish Prime Minister Ulf Kirstersson's reluctant visit to Budapest, and a deal through which Hungary is set to acquire four more Gripen C fighter aircraft and another 10 years of support and logistics for its existing fleet, Hungary's parliament ratified Sweden's membership status last month.

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Beyond the symbolism of swelling ranks and a bolstered Baltic front, we took a look at the numbers to see what else NATO stands to gain from its new ally.

As put by Neil Melvin from London's Royal United Services Institute think tank, Sweden's decision to join NATO "overturns a position of neutrality and military non-alignment that stretches back to the Napoleonic period … Sweden’s membership of the alliance alongside Finland, which was triggered by Moscow’s decision to invade Ukraine, is part of a transformation of northern Europe into a NATO bastion. "

MONEY, MONEY, MONEY​


According to the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), Sweden's 2023 defense budget amounted to $9.2 billion and 1.54 percent of GDP*.

In 2014 NATO members agreed to spend at least 2 percent of GDP on defense. Within Europe, adherence to this target is mixed, with a visibly higher level of relative spending in countries closer to Russia.

In anticipation of NATO membership, last year Sweden announced investments in military defense. The government estimates that this increased spending, combined with additional budget items that fall under NATO's definition of defense expenditure, will ensure Sweden meets the 2 percent target in 2024.

General spending under the umbrella of "defense and contingency measures" in Sweden's central government budget demonstrates major investment in this area over the coming years, and increased relative importance against other areas of government spending.

Fenella McGerty, senior fellow for defense economics with the U.K.’s International Institute for Strategic Studies, broke down where this money is going. She said the proposed 31 percent increase in defense spending this year to 126 billion krona (€11.2 billion) "means Sweden will spend twice as much on defence this year compared to 2019 levels. While all budget lines have received an uplift, the increase has been most evident in equipment acquisition." She said the investment share of the defense budget has grown from 28 percent in 2019 to 44 percent this year.

MANPOWER AND FIREPOWER​

Sweden's size means that it doesn't drastically bolster the total number of military personnel in NATO countries. However, "Sweden notably brings to NATO a well-equipped army, over a hundred advanced fighters, a modern navy ... as well as a technologically advanced defence industrial base," said Neil Melvin from London's Royal United Services Institute.

When it comes to equipment, Sweden has varied supplies. Geared toward territorial defense, the country has been purchasing artillery and armored fighting vehicles, modernizing its tanks and is increasingly integrating its airforce with neighboring countries.

As of November 2023, the IISS estimates Sweden has:
  • 1,017 armored personnel carriers
  • 266 artillery
  • 110 main battle tanks
  • 99 combat capable aircraft
  • 4 conventionally-powered attack submarines

When selected equipment stocks are compared across NATO countries, Sweden's supply numbers tend to place it in the upper middle of the pack. In some cases, the country punches well above its weight. For instance, Sweden has the fifth most armored personnel carriers in NATO, more than much larger countries such as Germany, Spain and the U.K.

EXPORT POTENTIAL​

Beyond the equipment that Sweden currently has at its disposal, its export oriented defense industry can meet most domestic equipment needs. Additionally, "In NATO, they will have access to far more conversations/tenders/info sharing particularly with regards to very sensitive tech that they previously weren’t admitted to, even if their stuff was NATO standard in design," says Tom Waldwyn, Research Associate for Defence Procurement at IISS.

The Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) ranked Saab, the Swedish manufacturer of Gripen fighter jets, as the company with the 39th largest arms revenue in the world in 2022 and the company's CEO Michael Johansson has spoken publicly about the benefits of joining NATO's "inner circle" from an industry perspective.

Over the past decade, Saab and BAE Systems Hägglands have been involved in major arms deals across the world, trading in various military products.
 
My Swedish great grandmother used to make the very best Swedish rolls. They were scrumptious. Nothing like them in the world. Hope the Swedes bring with them their rolls. Gavin Newsom would approve also.

Joking aside, hope Sweden makes for a good new NATO members. Hope also that Sweden pays into the NATO costs, an issue that has been a problem with some countries not paying their share and leaving it up to the US to cover expenses.


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Sweden and Finland join Nato's biggest military exercise in decades

By Jonathan Beale, Defence correspondent. Northern Norway

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There was a time when Nato would do its best to avoid direct mention of Russia when conducting its military manoeuvres. Not least for fear of provocation. But Russia's full scale invasion of Ukraine has changed all that.

Now the alliance's drills have Moscow in mind. One of the key stated objectives of Exercise Steadfast Defender is to deter Russia. It's the alliance's largest since the end of the Cold War, involving 90,000 military personnel and taking place right across Europe's eastern flank over the next few months.

Steadfast Defender is also the first test of Nato's new military plans - designed to move troops and equipment at speed and scale to bolster any ally under attack. And it's an affirmation of the very purpose of Nato - that an attack on one would prompt a response from all.

Donald Trump may have called that into question, but America remains the backbone of that pledge and has committed huge resources to prove it.

The first stage of the exercise is taking place in the remote white wilderness of the Finnmark region of northern Norway. It's not that far from Norway's 120-mile border with Russia. Though in this scenario Finnmark's been invaded by a fictional enemy called Occasus.

Eivor, a 21-year-old Norwegian medical student and part-time soldier, says her grandparents had to flee this same area when the Nazis invaded in World War Two.

"I'd rather stay here and fight," she says. She says she's not expecting the Russians to invade "but of course you always have to stay on your toes".

It's the first big Nato exercise with forces from Sweden and Finland taking part as fully fledged members.

There's a palpable sense of excitement among their troops at becoming part of the world's largest military alliance. They're also more willing to identify the threat.

Preparing for a beach assault in a fjord, one Finnish marine said it made no sense for his country "being alone against Russia". Another adds: "Nato kind of scares Russia." A fellow Swedish marine says he feels "super safe" now his country's finally joined the Alliance.

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It's a sentiment shared by their politicians too.

The defence ministers of Sweden, Finland and Norway celebrated their new Nordic unity as they watched part of the exercise - a symbolic border crossing of troops from Finland into Norway to expel the fictional invaders.

They were all smiles as they posed for photos in front of a rocket launcher.

Sweden's defence minister, Pal Jonson, was not afraid to rub salt into Russia's self-inflicted wounds. He described Sweden and Finland's membership as "the mother of all unintended consequences" for Moscow.

Russia he said had been desperate to stop the two previously non-aligned countries from joining. It had failed.

Though in truth Finland's membership has also brought Russia closer to Nato - with a shared border of more than 800 miles, which allies too will now have to be ready to defend.

How real is the threat?

No-one's saying that Russia's an imminent threat. Not least because its forces are currently bogged down in Ukraine. But there is a perception that longer term Russia could target a Nato country too.

One of Sweden's most senior military commanders has no doubts that Moscow's ambitions go further than Ukraine.

Lieutenant General Carl-Johan Edstrom says it's a question of time - "I'm sure Russia is a threat, yes, and we need to be stronger in the coming five to 10 years".

Nato, he says, must use that window to strengthen its armed forces.

Several other European military chiefs and senior politicians have also warned that Russia could attack a Nato ally within the next decade.

Vice-Admiral Doug Perry, one of the senior US military chiefs overseeing the exercise, says it's clear to him "the European continent's already at war".

For now, that's confined to Ukraine. But he says Nato needs to "evaluate Russian behaviour and Russian capability. Add them up and we must be prepared".

He believes Finland and Sweden's recent membership of Nato is a reflection of that threat.

Nordic nations, like the Baltic States, appear to have a more acute sense of the danger. It's what comes with living closer to Russia.

They're the ones ramping up defence spending faster than others. They're also the states which often understand the costs of war - having lived through the bitter experience of invasion in the past.

In the Nordic states defence is also drilled into the population - unlike anywhere else in Europe. They all have some form of conscription, meaning that every generation has military experience and many continue to serve in the reserves.

But not everyone in Nato is as well prepared. Elsewhere in Europe, including the UK, armies are struggling to recruit.

Among the professional troops taking part in this exercise are members of Norway's home guard - mostly part-time soldiers.

For this exercise they're acting as the enemy, moving fast across the snow-covered hills by skidoo and sleeping outside in freezing temperatures. Most are young - this is no Dad's Army.

Josefine, a 21-year-old Kindergarten teacher, says "we have a lot of people with military experience and that kinds of makes it safer, because we are everywhere."

Elisabeth, a 20-year-old nurse, says "it's important to have people who really want to defend Norway, so we can all feel safe".

 

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