Native americans

Good replies in Here. Up I'm Washington we have a lot of native Americans.
 
No problem my man we coo.. we just needed to clarify some things. Besides with all them books you know how fast us spachies can turn into dicks..

Go forth and finish your thread good sir and continue spreading the word of the great spirit fathers and earth mother's. I will make smoke later tonight with peace and kindness for you..
 
syct23 said:
No prob, I'm just saying.. some Apache don't take kindly to being told they fought with someone they were and still are enemies with.
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A lot of tribes worked with the Europeans. Spain had a history of working both with and against the same tribes, so it's not like anyone is lying here.

Hell, I fucking hated the British for fucking with the Ojibwe, but honestly it was the American government that tried to end us, the British ended up having our back in the end and we worked together. It was a complicated time.
 
Slick_36 said:
I knew your post was influenced by that book lol. It really surprised if me to learn just how brutal they were in war, especially with their captives. And they weren't alone, they practiced scalping ceremonies and ritualistic cannibalism up in the Great Lakes too.
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Lol yea, I actually learned about the book from a thread on these boards. Brutal indeed.

Comanche horsemanship skills, and their enormous striking range with said horses, seriously impressed me. Awesome how their mustangs were so well bred for enduring long distances. Not to mention they were sick with the bow skills while riding:

As a warrior approached the point on the circle nearest the enemy, he dropped into the loop around his horse's neck and shot arrows from beneath the neck. If his horse was shot down, he generally landed on his feet.
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Dudes were nice.
 
I totally agree.. there were tons of playing off of each other during the wars.. here in the South West it really wasn't any British or American Europeans, Americans just did the mopping up. In the southwest it was constant war with the Spanish and Mexicans for hundreds of years..
 
BearGrounds said:
Lol yea, I actually learned about the book from a thread on these boards. Brutal indeed.

Comanche horsemanship skills, and their enormous striking range with said horses, seriously impressed me. Their mustangs were bred for enduring long distances.



Dudes were nice.
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I grew up in the heart of Comanche territory, there's a giant arrow in my home town for Quanah Parker. I even went to a school that was named the Comanches. So I was really happy to see that book when I was working at a book store a few years ago.
 
syct23 said:
I totally agree.. there were tons of playing off of each other during the wars.. here in the South West it really wasn't any British or American Europeans, Americans just did the mopping up. In the southwest it was constant war with the Spanish and Mexicans for hundreds of years..
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It's crazy seeing how similar the struggle for land was here in comparison with the seizing of Africa. The Europeans were experienced in playing indigenous people against eachother and exacerbating previous tensions.
 
Damn.. wish I could contribute more to this thread but I'm at work and have to use my phone to post here..

It's fascinating honestly.. I've worked with OST and the BIA for over 15 and was able to travel the entire country for conferences and meetings at probably more then a hundred tribes.. I meet and am still friends with many. It damn interesting to talk to skins from different locations and realizing how much lives are and we're being lived the same way..
 
SFMMA said:
Part of it is that they aren't a culture of crybabies looking for massive handouts for something that happened 150+ years ago like...some other cultures. Also, some of them (not all) are making out like friggin' bandits with that casino money.

Also, Jews don't seem to complain nearly as much as...some other cultures, probably because most of their oppression didn't occur in America. They can't point as many fingers.
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Oh gtfo with that. Their culture has been largely destroyed and no, they're not overly excited about it. You obviously don't know what you're talking about and that's cool. You don't have to weigh in on every subject when you don''t know shit about it.


Also protip: systemic racism sure as fuck didn't end 150 years ago. Try roughly 20 years.
 
SFMMA said:
Part of it is that they aren't a culture of crybabies looking for massive handouts for something that happened 150+ years ago like...some other cultures. Also, some of them (not all) are making out like friggin' bandits with that casino money.

Also, Jews don't seem to complain nearly as much as...some other cultures, probably because most of their oppression didn't occur in America. They can't point as many fingers.
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Typical white ignorant response downplaying the devastating effects that you're people's atrocities have on their victims, insulting anyone with a voice as crybabies. You are scum.
 
pacifikan said:
Typical white ignorant response downplaying the devastating effects that you're people's atrocities have on their victims, insulting anyone with a voice as crybabies. You are scum.
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Oh you know some time has passed since their culture was completely destroyed, so it's all good now. Genocide, slavery, racism, and introducing drugs into the culture shouldn't have any effect on future generations. They should be just fine growing up in the ruins of their culture, while not being accepted into american culture.
 
Well... That was two more pages then I thought it would take.
 
I lived next to a reservation my entire life. Went to school with natives, some native friends, some native girlfriends etc...I find that the more rights natives get(here in Canada) the more people come out of the woodwork claiming native status because they are 1/8 native or whatever the minimum is. That doesn't help at all. My take is that their culture was destroyed almost entirely and that is real and the effects last generations.

When I was younger I would have been much more sympathetic;Now, not so much. I know many who grew up with me and had the same or more advantages and when something doesn't go their way, they throw out the poor indian card. It happens so much around here that it's lost it's effect. They really are a little lazy, not genetically, just a chosen path as some type of protest. The local socialist groups are always trying to create some type of romantic native fairy tale.

I worked with native guys who don't pay any taxes at all. No income tax, federal or provincial. No sales tax on anything. No license's for any recreational or commercial fishing( to a certain amount). A free house. Yup. FREE. They use their rights for lobster and moose while preaching that they are going to feed the tribe when in reality, they take the lobsters or moose meat and sell it around town to anyone with the cash. Paying off people for tribal votes etc...they are as white as the rest of us when it comes to governance with a minority trump card to play any time the going gets rough.

I used to respect them more unfortunately.
 
Well this is kinda weird as this thread has not devolved in to a mini war room and the misconceptions, lies and half truths, and racism have been kept to a minimum or non-existent in this thread.

<--------about as close to 100% blackfoot here.
 
SFMMA said:
Part of it is that they aren't a culture of crybabies looking for massive handouts for something that happened 150+ years ago like...some other cultures. Also, some of them (not all) are making out like friggin' bandits with that casino money.

Also, Jews don't seem to complain nearly as much as...some other cultures, probably because most of their oppression didn't occur in America. They can't point as many fingers.
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Your ignorance knows no bounds but by all means, carry on.
 
i think it was cool how they lived before the usa existed

and its disgusting how they live on reservations addicted to so much gross shit today
 
Limbo Pete said:
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Careful bud, you don't wanna inadvertently conflate war with war for extermination. It's certainly true that some tribes were extremely warlike, even to the point where conflict between tribes often came first as a priority before conflict with whites (something the US gov gladly exploited at every turn), but the concept of specifically trying to exterminate people/culture based on cultural or religious reasons is, broadly speaking, imported. In my tribe, for example, if you went down south on a raid and killed a guy then realized he had a kid around, it wasn't uncommon to take that child in and adopt them as a full member of the tribe. Indeed, it was often looked at as a responsibility to do so.
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Don't give me that bullshit that the Sioux were "just" at war. The Sioux were out to wipe out other tribes, aka extermination. That's why they chased the Mandan, Hidatsa, and Arikira 3/4 of the way across the state. That's just in ND. There's some members in this forum whose tribes got slaughtered by the Sioux and pushed out of their home land.
Aren't you from the Fund Du Lack band?
 
Some tribes are really cool, some are kind of boring. The culture overall is awesome though. I really enjoy reading about the Battle of The Little Bighorn and how they hoodwinked Custer.

There's a great book out called Last Stand by Nathaniel Philbrick.
 
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