Native americans

[Bald1]

How to summarize the incredibly diverse population of 2 continents - environmentalists with cool face paint. Lol

 

[ithinktheymad]

Beautiful, complex, tragic. Quite interesting in the context of pre-colonial divisions as well. They had surpassed Europe in many ways.

 

[Uptown Swinger]

Meanwhile in Guatemala:

 

[BearGrounds]

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Careful bud, you don't wanna inadvertently conflate war with war for extermination. It's certainly true that some tribes were extremely warlike, even to the point where conflict between tribes often came first as a priority before conflict with whites (something the US gov gladly exploited at every turn), but the concept of specifically trying to exterminate people/culture based on cultural or religious reasons is, broadly speaking, imported. In my tribe, for example, if you went down south on a raid and killed a guy then realized he had a kid around, it wasn't uncommon to take that child in and adopt them as a full member of the tribe. Indeed, it was often looked at as a responsibility to do so.

When the Comanches came down from the hills that they were driven into, they sought to exterminate their enemies, namely the Apaches, due to a blood vengeance. The Apaches actually had to ally with the Spaniards in order to survive. War for extermination wasn't something the natives were unfamiliar with.

I was talking with a Comanche from Oklahoma once who chastised me for showing pity and Regret towards American Indians, Comanche's specifically.

He said, "I can assure you had we won, you honkies wouldn't be getting any welfare checks!."

Ha.

Comanches were ruthless. They would sometimes drag captive babies behind their horses until dead. They'd also often seize females and assimilate them, while male captives were executed as a matter of tribal policy - often tortured first.

They were also incredibly skilled horsemen.

"Amongst their feats of riding there is one that has astonished me more than anything of the kind I have ever seen or expect to see, in my life: - a stratagem of war, learned and practiced by every young man in the tribe; by which he is able to drop his body on the side of his horse at the instant he is passing, effectively screened from his enemies' weapons, as he lays in a horizontal position behind the body of his horse, with his heel hanging over the horse's back....in this wonderful condition, he will hang whilst his horse is at fullest speed, carrying with him his bow and shield and also his long lance 14 feet in length."

- George Catlin

They would break wild horses by lassoing them, tightening the rope until it choked them, then drive them to the ground and keep them there until near death. They'd then loosen the rope and allow it to rise to its feet, where they'd gently stroke the trembling animal and blow air into its nose.

They were badass. I recommend this book for anyone who wants to read about their history, it's where I got the above information from:

 

[syct23]

Couldn't you have just started one thread for this...?

 

[Limbo Pete]

When the Comanches came down from the hills that they were driven into, they sought to exterminate their enemies, namely the Apaches, due to a blood vengeance. The Apaches actually had to ally with the Spaniards in order to survive. War for extermination wasn't something the natives were unfamiliar with.

 

[syct23]

I'm Apache and had no idea we were friends with Spaniards.. for some reason my people must have told me wrong and explained that Spanish and Mexicans were one of our most mortal enemies of which we raided and fought for generations...

But, okay.. I guess we cool now

 

[FyrFytr998]

I like hearing about their culture. It's hard here in the Northeast, because everyone claiming Native American heritage looks white, black, or Puerto Rican. I rarely see anyone that you would look at and say to yourself that they are Native American.

 

[FinalFight]

Last of the mohicans is my shit.

 

[BearGrounds]

I'm Apache and had no idea we were friends with Spaniards.. for some reason my people must have told me wrong and explained that Spanish and Mexicans were one of our most mortal enemies of which we raided and fought for generations...

But, okay.. I guess we cool now

Yes, they had raided the Spanish in the early 1700s. But in 1749 several Apache bands rode into San Antonia to work out a peace treaty because the Comanches were threatening their existence.

If you don't believe me that the Spaniards and Apache worked together in the past, all you have to do is read about the San Saba Massacre.

From wiki:

In retaliation, the Spanish government authorized an expedition in 1759 to attack the Comanche. Colonel Diego Ortiz Parrilla led over 500 Spanish soldiers and Apache braves into Comanche territory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_Santa_Cruz_de_San_Sabá

Check out that book I posted about above if you're interested in learning more about it.

 

[syct23]

Oh, well my bad excuse me well I sit here and watch you tell me more about my culture...

 

[BearGrounds]

Oh, well my bad excuse me well I sit here and watch you tell me more about my culture...

Believe it if you want to, or don't - I don't care. But I'm not just making this shit up, I've sourced where I got the information from. You can check out the sources yourself, if you're not too afraid of reading things that might conflict with your already established viewpoint.

 

[syct23]

Oh not at all sir.. I have books too. And a lot of old people with insight of which they refused to allow be published.. but you probably knew that from one of those chapters

 

[BearGrounds]

Oh not at all sir.. I have books too. And a lot of old people with insight of which they refused to allow be published.. but you probably knew that from one of those chapters

What books? I'll read them too. See what they have to say about it.

If the information provided in both that book and the wiki link are inaccurate, explain in what ways exactly. Otherwise your posts are just empty claims.

 

[syct23]

I would point you in a direction of checking out some of Eve Ball's books and dictations.. she's pretty much Gospel to a lot of appachies.

And on another note when you say appachies fighting with the Spanish, which tribe are you referring to? There are several different bands of appachies and not all of them followed the same path.. you can't just clump them all in together and say "appachies fought with the Spanish

 

[BearGrounds]

I would point you in a direction of checking out some of Eve Ball's books and dictations.. she's pretty much Gospel to a lot of appachies.

And on another note when you say appachies fighting with the Spanish, which tribe are you referring to? There are several different bands of appachies and not all of them followed the same path.. you can't just clump them all in together and say "appachies fought with the Spanish

I'll check her out.

I realize there are different bands, I wrote just Apache to type less/faster. The wiki link specifies which tribes with regards to the topic it covers. The Lipan is mentioned in both the wiki and the book as being one of them.

 

[syct23]

No prob, I'm just saying.. some Apache don't take kindly to being told they fought with someone they were and still are enemies with.

 

[syct23]

That's like me saying Europeans fought on the side of the Nazis...

Gotta be specific mang..

 

[Slick_36]

When the Comanches came down from the hills that they were driven into, they sought to exterminate their enemies, namely the Apaches, due to a blood vengeance. The Apaches actually had to ally with the Spaniards in order to survive. War for extermination wasn't something the natives were unfamiliar with.



Comanches were ruthless. They would sometimes drag captive babies behind their horses until dead. They'd also often seize females and assimilate them, while male captives were executed as a matter of tribal policy - often tortured first.

They were also incredibly skilled horsemen.

"Amongst their feats of riding there is one that has astonished me more than anything of the kind I have ever seen or expect to see, in my life: - a stratagem of war, learned and practiced by every young man in the tribe; by which he is able to drop his body on the side of his horse at the instant he is passing, effectively screened from his enemies' weapons, as he lays in a horizontal position behind the body of his horse, with his heel hanging over the horse's back....in this wonderful condition, he will hang whilst his horse is at fullest speed, carrying with him his bow and shield and also his long lance 14 feet in length."

- George Catlin

They would break wild horses by lassoing them, tightening the rope until it choked them, then drive them to the ground and keep them there until near death. They'd then loosen the rope and allow it to rise to its feet, where they'd gently stroke the trembling animal and blow air into its nose.

They were badass. I recommend this book for anyone who wants to read about their history, it's where I got the above information from:

I knew your post was influenced by that book lol. It really surprised if me to learn just how brutal they were in war, especially with their captives. And they weren't alone, they practiced scalping ceremonies and ritualistic cannibalism up in the Great Lakes too.

 

[BearGrounds]

No prob, I'm just saying.. some Apache don't take kindly to being told they fought with someone they were and still are enemies with.

Nothing personal buddy, just sharing information I read.