Nancy Pelosi jokes she will give Trump $1 for the Wall.

[Trotsky]

10’s of thousands of people entering illegally each month via the border is not a serious problem?

I can’t tell if you’re delusional or just so stupid that you think you can convince people of this.

The only people who pretend that it’s not a problem are people who want to see the USA slowly become Mexico. And I’m sure there’s a little more deep seeded hatred in there as well.

An educated Polish guy from Philadelphia is exactly the type I'd expect would want to topple the white race.

Surely his position is based on that racial hatred and not on a rational appraisal of the realistic costs of undocumented immigration relative to the costs of other more pressing issues, and the costs of remedial actions relative to the cost of lesser action or even inaction.

 

[nostradumbass]

You may not have noticed this but there was recently bipartisan criminal justice reform bill passed precisely because crime rates are down.


I'm not advocating for cutting funding to DHS or Border Patrol. I'm advocating for the status quo in regards to immigration.

And I don't care about changing demographics. Doesn't worry me at all

Great, but I didn't ask if you cared about changing demographics, I said that your baseline for "declining" was a high enough number to change demographics in several of the most populated states.

And I said murder and violent crime are on the decline, and AFAIK, the reform bill is not granting clemency for murderers and violent offenders. I think we could save some money by not building walls around prisons though. We should build bridges around prisons, not walls.

 

[tkotom]

An educated Polish guy from Philadelphia is exactly the type I'd expect would want to topple the white race.

Surely his position is based on that racial hatred and not on a rational appraisal of the realistic costs of undocumented immigration relative to the costs of other more pressing issues, and the costs of remedial actions relative to the cost of lesser action or even inaction.

Only a racist dog like yourself would think that I said anything about white race or similar. I’m not white FYI. I simply said that they want to turn the USA into Mexico. And there’s no other reason you’d want to leave the floodgates open to Mexico and Central America.

Because a 5-10 billion dollar wall doesn’t even compare to the cost that illegals inflict on the taxpayer. Everyone knows it. No amount of head in the sand nonsense talk can hide that.

 

[PolishHeadlock]

Only a racist dog like yourself would think that I said anything about white race or similar. I’m not white FYI. I simply said that they want to turn the USA into Mexico. And there’s no other reason you’d want to leave the floodgates open to Mexico and Central America.

Because a 5-10 billion dollar wall doesn’t even compare to the cost that illegals inflict on the taxpayer. Everyone knows it. No amount of head in the sand nonsense talk can hide that.

There are no floodgates, it's a trickle that is mostly beneficial imo

 

[PolishHeadlock]

An educated Polish guy from Philadelphia is exactly the type I'd expect would want to topple the white race.

Surely his position is based on that racial hatred and not on a rational appraisal of the realistic costs of undocumented immigration relative to the costs of other more pressing issues, and the costs of remedial actions relative to the cost of lesser action or even inaction.

I should point out I'm not Polish. That was my go to wrestling move in HS/College.

I'm a mix of Irish, English and German.... and if family folklore is to be believed a dash of Native American.

But yeah, I'm stereotypically white

 

[zebby23]

You're okay with "some fence" but not a better physical barrier like a "wall"?

Why?

Because what Trump wants is symbolic. He is not a border or immigration expert so what HE wants doesn’t matter to me as I know he wants a wall to build his ego. If our border experts say a wall is what’s needed then I’ll listen but I’m sorry, Trump has not earned my respect especially on border security.

Besides I have a feeling part wall, part fence, technology and more boots on the ground is what’s really needed.

 

[Trotsky]

Only a racist dog like yourself would think that I said anything about white race or similar. I’m not white FYI. I simply said that they want to turn the USA into Mexico. And there’s no other reason you’d want to leave the floodgates open to Mexico and Central America.

What could possibly be the alternatively implied intention here? What other "deep seeded hatred" (I'll presume you mean "deep-seated") could you be referencing?

Because a 5-10 billion dollar wall doesn’t even compare to the cost that illegals inflict on the taxpayer. Everyone knows it. No amount of head in the sand nonsense talk can hide that.

(a) lol @ "5-10 billion dollar wall" as if you're not privy to actual price estimates being 4-8 times that range.

(b) you're not even mentioning, presumably because you're unable to comprehend, the variable costs of maintaining the wall

(c) you're also not considering, definitely because you're unable to comprehend, the actual efficacy of the wall. This is where your position becomes ultra-retarded. Not only would the wall only target a portion of undocumented immigrants: it would target them with something that can be easily traversed with a rope or ladder. Do you really think people that have trekked through the desert, risked dying of thirst, risked being imprisoned, and risked being banned from the country are going to say "welp, now that I've encountered this here wall, I guess I'll just turn around"? And, if you're wanting to dedicate even more border security to prevent that, that's a few billion more in annual costs that will last forever.

(d) don't "everyone knows" something that you don't know. You don't understand the costs (and benefits) of undocumented labor and residency, so don't purport to.

 

[SOAzmayesh]

Was the wall not metaphorical ?

 

[Trotsky]

I should point out I'm not Polish. That was my go to wrestling move in HS/College.

I'm a mix of Irish, English and German.... and if family folklore is to be believed a dash of Native American.

But yeah, I'm stereotypically white

 

[tkotom]

What could possibly be the alternatively implied intention here? What other "deep seeded hatred" (I'll presume you mean "deep-seated") could you be referencing?



(a) lol @ "5-10 billion dollar wall" as if you're not privy to actual price estimates being 4-8 times that range.

(b) you're not even mentioning, presumably because you're unable to comprehend, the variable costs of maintaining the wall

(c) you're also not considering, definitely because you're unable to comprehend, the actual efficacy of the wall. This is where your position becomes ultra-retarded. Not only would the wall only target a portion of undocumented immigrants: it would target them with something that can be easily traversed with a rope or ladder. Do you really think people that have trekked through the desert, risked dying of thirst, risked being imprisoned, and risked being banned from the country are going to say "welp, now that I've encountered this here wall, I guess I'll just turn around"? And, if you're wanting to dedicate even more border security to prevent that, that's a few billion more in annual costs that will last forever.

(d) don't "everyone knows" something that you don't know. You don't understand the costs (and benefits) of undocumented labor and residency, so don't purport to.

So you’re going to argue with the actual border patrol who are literally saying that a wall would help them do their job better to protect the United States.

The people have no constitutional right to enter. Not a single one should be allowed to enter.

It is anti the constitution to facilitate their entry.

Your argument is un-American.

 

[Trotsky]

So you’re going to argue with the actual border patrol who are literally saying that a wall would help them do their job better to protect the United States.

No, I'm not going to do that. Which is why I haven't done that.

The people have no constitutional right to enter. Not a single one should be allowed to enter.

It is anti the constitution to facilitate their entry.

Your argument is un-American.

So is this a surrender on the actual cost-benefit analysis? It's just your position that, no matter how costly or how ineffective, we should build a wall because not doing so is un-American?

Yeah, that's a winning argument.

 

[PolishHeadlock]

So you’re going to argue with the actual border patrol who are literally saying that a wall would help them do their job better to protect the United States.

The people have no constitutional right to enter. Not a single one should be allowed to enter.

It is anti the constitution to facilitate their entry.

Your argument is un-American.

Anti the Constitution.......

We got a stable genius over here

 

[Trotsky]

How the fuck do you think you are going to look at 78, sugar tits?

I think she's doing damn OK for herself (and for the plastic surgeons who are her constituents).

Holy crap, I never even noticed that. For real, she's a fucking babe for 78.

(I accidentally posted this in another thread in response to another poster who was lamenting being furloughed. IDK how...)

 

[PolishHeadlock]

 

[Trotsky]

Someone needs to edit together that video of AOC dancing with some apocalyptic music and B-roll clips from 2012: Obama's America.

 

[IGIT]

Do you really think people that have trekked through the desert, risked dying of thirst, risked being imprisoned, and risked being banned from the country are going to say "welp, now that I've encountered this here wall, I guess I'll just turn around"?

hiya Trotsky,

i thought about this alot in the last few months.

the kinds of people we're turning away, i mean. in a way, the border measures currently in place form a kind of litmus test on who makes it into the country, and who doesn't.

in the 50s and 60s, the asians who started to immigrate to America were generally some of the best of the best. they were educated, ambitious, and their parents had enough money to get'm to the promised land. those folks became Americans, and went on to plague Ivy League colleges with their ridiculous GPAs and board test scores.

these Central Americans...what kind of Americans would they turn out to be? what is (as gauche as this term is) their "stock"?

they're unbelievably tough and persevering...just to make the trek here is a brutal journey. one that's often lethal.
they are not risk averse, apparently, if the stakes are high enough. you might even call this courage.

they're seriously ambitious, since the overwhelming number of them are coming here for a shot to better themselves, even if they have to start at the most grotesquely lowest rung of the ladder.

if all the tales of them sending their meager earnings back to their families holds true, i guess they're pretty family oriented folk with a firm grasp on the concept of sacrifice.

and, aside from them breaking the law by illegally entering the country, they seem to be less inclined towards crime than my fellow American once they make it in.

wouldn't these folks make great Americans? like, wouldn't they be an asset to the country?

to circle back to your point, aye. i think its kind of laughable to think that these sorts of immigrants will see a fence or whatever, and say, "oh wellz, lets start walking back to Honduras".

- IGIT

 

[Bloody Pulp]

Hyperbole much.

 

[PolishHeadlock]

Hyperbole much.

Lol what do you think the "military version of eminent domain" is?

 

[Bloody Pulp]

Lol what do you think the "military version of eminent domain" is?

Executing any citizen who refuses to give up large swaths of their land obviously.

 

[PolishHeadlock]

Executing any citizen who refuses to give up large swaths of their land obviously.

Well if they shoot at the armed men who are kicking them off their property they will be subdued one way or another