My brief experience eating less carbs

[KILL KILL]

If the actual studies were read and not just an abstract I am not sure everyone would think the same.

Lol please enlighten me good sir. As I mentioned, I have about 10-15 more that I kept out for convenience sake.

 

[Snoopi]

You're what you eat and sometimes we don't know what we're eating. Experiences like these are worth sharing so that friends in difficulties might know what they are eating and what they should be eating. Thanks for the share mate.

 

[KILL KILL]

An article in the most recent edition of the Quarterly Review of Biology emphasized the importance of starchy carbs in human evolution.

http://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/682587

Here's the abstract

We propose that plant foods containing high quantities of starch were essential for the evolution of the human phenotype during the Pleistocene. Although previous studies have highlighted a stone tool-mediated shift from primarily plant-based to primarily meat-based diets as critical in the development of the brain and other human traits, we argue that digestible carbohydrates were also necessary to accommodate the increased metabolic demands of a growing brain.

Furthermore, we acknowledge the adaptive role cooking played in improving the digestibility and palatability of key carbohydrates. We provide evidence that cooked starch, a source of preformed glucose, greatly increased energy availability to human tissues with high glucose demands, such as the brain, red blood cells, and the developing fetus. We also highlight the auxiliary role copy number variation in the salivary amylase genes may have played in increasing the importance of starch in human evolution following the origins of cooking.

Salivary amylases are largely ineffective on raw crystalline starch, but cooking substantially increases both their energy-yielding potential and glycemia. Although uncertainties remain regarding the antiquity of cooking and the origins of salivary amylase gene copy number variation, the hypothesis we present makes a testable prediction that these events are correlated.

It's a pretty awesome article. If you think I linked to a lot of studies in my earlier post, this one provides at least 100.

 

[August West]

What are you complaining about? Without "rehashing" old shit, this forum would completely dead. At least you regulars have something to talk about hah.

Exactly. Nothing wrong that I can see with having fresh discussions.

"Use the search function! Don't make a new thread on something already discussed!" just doesn't work. Who wants to read through a decade-old thread looking for relevant information, just hoping that it isn't outdated?

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Anyways, I had a question/personal anecdote regarding the thread topic. Diabetes runs in my family on one side so I'm especially cautious about carb intake and its effect on my sugar level. So far in that respect I'm great, I can eat 100-150g of carbs in one sitting and take my blood sugar an hour or two later and I'm always either under or right at 100.

But what I notice is sometimes when I really have a "carb binge", I actually pass out. I don't get sleepy or drowsy, I go comatose and wake up the next morning. Last time this happened I literally had a black out! Last thing I remember was eating a big bowl of ice cream and cake topped with cherries and cherry juice sugar syrup.

According to my wife I remained awake for at least 45 minutes to an hour after eating this and that we went to bed after I started to drift off on the couch. We had conversations that I have absolutely no recollection of.

During these episodes the sleep I do get I'm like a corpse and it is very hard to wake me. Also even after sleeping the entire night I wake the next morning not feeling rested.

Seems some carbs/sugars trigger this "sleep that cannot be denied" while other do not. I call it that because I'm someone who can naturally stay up 48 hours when necessary and never have to fight off sleep. I don't nap, I don't fall asleep in awkward positions or in front of the TV/computer. But for some reason when I eat a tremendous helping of them in the early-to-late evening I am overcome with drowsiness and cannot stay awake.

This seems to especially be true of lactose and sucrose, I've never experienced it with fructose and I don't drink corn syrup drinks so I don't know how that would effect me. Alcohol, even in heavy excess and even if it is alcohol spiked with high carbs like a heavy beer, does not have this effect.

The last time with the blackout effect was the first time that had happened, and this extreme drowsiness doesn't always happen after eating sugars and dairy sweets though it does seem to be increasing in frequency.

Any insight? I figure it is probably early warning signs of diabetes, yet again my blood sugar level has never been over 115 in my life and is usually 80-90 even when eating a carb-heavy diet.

Normally though I try to limit my carb intake to no more than 100-200g a day. Seeing the struggles of family members and early adult onset diabetes, I'm thoroughly convinced I would have already or soon be suffering the same fate if I just drank multiple sodas daily and ate carby snacks regularly as my family members make habit.

Sorry for the long, rambling post. All insight appreciated. Has anyone else seen or suffered similar? Feel free to call me a fattie who should stay off desserts also!

 

[Tayski]

Diabetes runs in my family on one side so I'm especially cautious about carb intake and its effect on my sugar level. So far in that respect I'm great, I can eat 100-150g of carbs in one sitting and take my blood sugar an hour or two later and I'm always either under or right at 100.

But what I notice is sometimes when I really have a "carb binge", I actually pass out. I don't get sleepy or drowsy, I go comatose and wake up the next morning. Last time this happened I literally had a black out! Last thing I remember was eating a big bowl of ice cream and cake topped with cherries and cherry juice sugar syrup.

Diabetes runs in your family and for your carb cravings you go for pure simple carbohydrates aka sugar? You're crazy :icon_surp
Maybe try some more complex carbs instead which aren't just 100% sugar?

 

[August West]

Diabetes runs in your family and for your carb cravings you go for pure simple carbohydrates aka sugar? You're crazy :icon_surp
Maybe try some more complex carbs instead which aren't just 100% sugar?

Very, very seldom. But you bring up a good point that could help shed light on my original question: will eating a sugar-heavy dessert on such rare occasions(less than 1/month) trigger the onset of Type 2 diabetes? The symptoms I experience would lead me to say yes, yet the ability of my body's insulin to keep my blood sugar level well within normal bounds over the course of digestion would lead me to say probably not.

I really don't know, and thus I bring the question to the forum. Another possibility I've considered, perhaps I suffer some type of allergy to a component of the dessert, I suspect lactose. Seems that ice cream itself is the worst trigger for these extreme drowsy spells. Yet milk itself doesn't bother me, even if I drink a huge quart glass which by itself would be close to 50g sugar presumably lactose.

Really puzzling. I think I have successfully identified the foods that trigger this response and thus I know how to avoid it, my question is whether perhaps someone could shed some insight into the root cause. Is it the early warning signs of diabetes? Is it possibly a food allergy? Another thing I've considered, being as on normal days throughout the month I keep carb intake lower than average(100-200g/day), could this perhaps be some type of effect where my body, normally accustomed to somewhat low levels of carbs to digest, suddenly gets overloaded with a massive amount far higher than normal? That would make sense to me, if my blood sugar levels backed it up with elevated levels. Again this has never happened, my body seems to process the sugar quite handily.

Then there is the A1C, which is a total mystery to me as I've never had mine checked. I've inquired of a doctor before, he said not to worry about that until I started seeing higher readings on my glucose monitor.

Again, not a big deal to me personally, I won't lose sleep over it. I will certainly curb future ice cream and cake consumption if such is going to cause me to go into a blackout.

I just want to know if anyone else has experienced this or has heard of someone who has? Can people show different reactions toward different forms of sugar(fructose vs. lactose)? Can symptoms of diabetes develop even in the absence of elevated blood sugar levels?

Thanks guys for all your responses, I surely appreciate them.

 

[Osculater]

Very, very seldom. But you bring up a good point that could help shed light on my original question: will eating a sugar-heavy dessert on such rare occasions(less than 1/month) trigger the onset of Type 2 diabetes? The symptoms I experience would lead me to say yes, yet the ability of my body's insulin to keep my blood sugar level well within normal bounds over the course of digestion would lead me to say probably not.

I really don't know, and thus I bring the question to the forum. Another possibility I've considered, perhaps I suffer some type of allergy to a component of the dessert, I suspect lactose. Seems that ice cream itself is the worst trigger for these extreme drowsy spells. Yet milk itself doesn't bother me, even if I drink a huge quart glass which by itself would be close to 50g sugar presumably lactose.

Really puzzling. I think I have successfully identified the foods that trigger this response and thus I know how to avoid it, my question is whether perhaps someone could shed some insight into the root cause. Is it the early warning signs of diabetes? Is it possibly a food allergy? Another thing I've considered, being as on normal days throughout the month I keep carb intake lower than average(100-200g/day), could this perhaps be some type of effect where my body, normally accustomed to somewhat low levels of carbs to digest, suddenly gets overloaded with a massive amount far higher than normal? That would make sense to me, if my blood sugar levels backed it up with elevated levels. Again this has never happened, my body seems to process the sugar quite handily.

Then there is the A1C, which is a total mystery to me as I've never had mine checked. I've inquired of a doctor before, he said not to worry about that until I started seeing higher readings on my glucose monitor.

Again, not a big deal to me personally, I won't lose sleep over it. I will certainly curb future ice cream and cake consumption if such is going to cause me to go into a blackout.

I just want to know if anyone else has experienced this or has heard of someone who has? Can people show different reactions toward different forms of sugar(fructose vs. lactose)? Can symptoms of diabetes develop even in the absence of elevated blood sugar levels?

Thanks guys for all your responses, I surely appreciate them.

Consuming too much sugar can raise your blood pressure just like with sodium

 

[therealdope]

You're what you eat and sometimes we don't know what we're eating.

And as of 2012, this has been accepted through peer review.

http://www.nature.com/cr/journal/v22/n1/full/cr2011158a.html

Here, we report the surprising finding that exogenous plant miRNAs are present in the sera and tissues of various animals and that these exogenous plant miRNAs are primarily acquired orally, through food intake.

 

[August West]

Consuming too much sugar can raise your blood pressure just like with sodium

Luckily my blood pressure has never been an issue for me.

I believe what you're saying also about BP, but it is also worth pointing out that somebody somewhere has linked sugar to just about every ailment that has ever befallen us humans.

 

[Tayski]

will eating a sugar-heavy dessert on such rare occasions(less than 1/month) trigger the onset of Type 2 diabetes? The symptoms I experience would lead me to say yes, yet the ability of my body's insulin to keep my blood sugar level well within normal bounds over the course of digestion would lead me to say probably not.

I'm not a doctor, and of course considering the diabetes I would avoid overdosing on sugar even if it's from time to time.
Your question is like asking "I have a heart condition and could possibly suffer a heart attack at any time, do you think if I snort a crazy amount of cocaine only on rare occasions (like once a month) it would give me a heart attack?
It's hard to tell as it depends on many things. But obviously it's not recommended.

Also by what you described as your "carbs snack", it sounded more like an overdose of sugar, even for a normal person. Maybe try just a piece of cake, or cookies, without all the added ice cream and syrup etc that you mentioned lol
See it that way, you're not giving your body that much sugar for a few weeks, and suddenly you give it more than what is recommended for a normal person on a daily basis, in just one snack. Imagine how your sugar levels change drastically.
The comparison with drugs is pretty accurate, it's like only doing drugs every few weeks but when you do it you do crazy amounts in one night. Obviously can't be that great if you have health issues...

Also, you should differentiate complex carbs and sugar, even though technically sugar is carbs, it's really not good carbs for your body.

 

[August West]

Your question is like asking "I have a heart condition and could possibly suffer a heart attack at any time, do you think if I snort a crazy amount of cocaine only on rare occasions (like once a month) it would give me a heart attack?
It's hard to tell as it depends on many things. But obviously it's not recommended.

Yeah, my question is exactly like that. I know the cocaine one, since that causes such an immediate and drastic stress on an already weakened heart muscle it most certainly could trigger that singular event of cardiac arrest.

Could a super high dose of sugar be such a stress on your systems that diabetes is triggered immediately? I had always assumed diabetes was more like a slowly developing disease that is the result of a years of abuse that eventually the body's ability to process sugar and remove it from the bloodstream become very crippled if not burned out completely.

I think it obvious that diabetes develops over a long span of time and one couldn't develop it from a single meal, but could a single meal be so stressful on the system that the single overdose of sugar causes an already weakened and possibly pre-diabetic body to "cross the line" and thereafter suffer full-blown diabetes?

Another question this brings to mind: does diabetes develop more easily from chronic long-term moderate elevated sugar intake such as is found in the typical American diet, or would diabetes possibly develop earlier or more easily from sporadic, super high sugar intake?

 

[Osculater]

Sugar doesn't cause diabetes, it is more complex than that

 

[vizual]

Sugar doesn't cause diabetes, it is more complex than that

True, carbohydrates have nothing to do with causing diabetes.

It's the fat in our body and ours diets that cause diabetes. If fat is overly abundant, the cells in our muscles will get "clogged" by the fat. These fat cells are called intramyocellular lipids, which inhibit the muscle cells to use the insulin to absorb the intravenous glucose. Which will lead to insulin resistance, which will lead to diabetes.

These lipids come from a high fat diet and/or our bodyfat stores when fat cells become too big that they spill lipids back in to the bloodstream.

 

[KILL KILL]

True, carbohydrates have nothing to do with causing diabetes.

It's the fat in our body and ours diets that cause diabetes. If fat is overly abundant, the cells in our muscles will get "clogged" by the fat. These fat cells are called intramyocellular lipids, which inhibit the muscle cells to use the insulin to absorb the intravenous glucose. Which will lead to insulin resistance, which will lead to diabetes.

These lipids come from a high fat diet and/or our bodyfat stores when fat cells become too big that they spill lipids back in to the bloodstream.

High fat diets do not correlate with diabetes, if that's what you're trying to say.

 

[monkeyrhythm]

It's the fat in our body and ours diets that cause diabetes. If fat is overly abundant, the cells in our muscles will get "clogged" by the fat. These fat cells are called intramyocellular lipids, which inhibit the muscle cells to use the insulin to absorb the intravenous glucose. Which will lead to insulin resistance, which will lead to diabetes.

These lipids come from a high fat diet and/or our bodyfat stores when fat cells become too big that they spill lipids back in to the bloodstream.

Classic case of correlation but not necessarily causation. High levels of intramyocellular lipid storage is just as (if not more) likely to be a result of insulin resistance as it is a cause.

 

[Sinister]

lol@cholesterol in the body coming from cholesterol on the plate.

 

[TheFinerDetails]

If I had enough money to spend on bacon, steak and eggs every morning... Then chicken in the arvo and some more steak and heaps of eggs and bacon for dinner... I'd be one happy man. Probably without the bacon, steak and eggs and chicken that is .

The problem with food is that it's not as simple as people like to make it out to be. Everyone is different and the causation & correlation issues in research have made for an uneducated generation of people.
Green tea apparently yields weight loss properties... But the people that were generally drinking green tea anyway, were also running every day, drinking water for every single drink, and eating a healthy balanced diet.
Also, if some Asian countries can cook all their food in pig fat, whale fat and the fats of every other known animal to man, whilst maintaining some of the best cardiovascular systems in the world, then surely this speaks eons to people who believe that, "this fat = this problem, this carb = this problem". I mean, for a training forum, how are people really buying into all these Hollywood diets, ideas, and fads? Just 10 years ago in primary school, I was being taught that my diet should consist of 5 food groups that followed a sort of 60/30/10 system (loosely paraphrased). Now I'm being told that this is wrong and that I should be following a 10/50/40 system...
Causation =/= Correlation.


To the TS... You said it yourself honestly. "Now, I have a pretty much all carb diet for the most part" - "It didn't feel like a big shock to my system." - "and I felt like crap. I felt 100lbs heavier, weezy, exhausted."
So it definitely did shock your system, just not until you noticed it.

People need to figure out what's best for THEIR body. Just like a beginner can't train like a pro and expect to keep up with the output.

 

[ChainFlow]

True, carbohydrates have nothing to do with causing diabetes.

It's the fat in our body and ours diets that cause diabetes. If fat is overly abundant, the cells in our muscles will get "clogged" by the fat. These fat cells are called intramyocellular lipids, which inhibit the muscle cells to use the insulin to absorb the intravenous glucose. Which will lead to insulin resistance, which will lead to diabetes.

These lipids come from a high fat diet and/or our bodyfat stores when fat cells become too big that they spill lipids back in to the bloodstream.

Source?

 

[Sarumyan]

Why is this thread still alive??? Whyyyyy

 

[KILL KILL]

Why is this thread still alive??? Whyyyyy

There's some good info...a lot of terrible, anecdotal info, but a lot of good stuff too.