Multiple fence grabs to stand up from heavy ground and pound should be a DQ loss

[Alpha_T83]

IMO Jason Herzog made the right call stopping Black Beast vs Tallison Texeira, but it should have been ruled a DQ loss for Tallison.



Tallison BLATANTLY grabbed the fence multiple times to stand up from heavy ground and pound. This should be an immediate DQ loss. We shouldn't be allowing fighters to escape from positions like this by breaking the rules. Taking a point away in this position would be completely insufficient. Lewis definitely would have knocked Tallison unconscious had Tallison not grabbed the fence. He wouldn't have been able to get up.

 

[CatchtheseHands]

IMO Jason Herzog made the right call stopping Black Beast vs Tallison Texeira, but it should have been ruled a DQ loss for Tallison.



Tallison BLATANTLY grabbed the fence multiple times to stand up from heavy ground and pound. This should be an immediate DQ loss. We shouldn't be allowing fighters to escape from positions like this by breaking the rules. Taking a point away in this position would be completely insufficient. Lewis definitely would have knocked Tallison unconscious had Tallison not grabbed the fence. He wouldn't have been able to get up.

Perhaps this is exactly why he called it a TKO?

 

[Kung Fu Kowboy]

Pride Rules would solve this problem

 

[JustforBROCK]

Stop showing the internet how stupid you are.

 

[KO Shotz]

Pride Rules would solve this problem

 

[Chagaev]

If you can't KTFO a dude when you can use full torque and bodyweight while he's defenseless climbing some fence then I doubt arm punches on the ground would do it.

 

[Luthien]

What if we just let the fighters fight until somebody is clearly unconscious instead

 

[Alpha_T83]

Stop showing the internet how stupid you are.

lol, ok bud

It wasn't a TKO. Tallison got up. Either it was a bad stoppage, or it should have been a DQ.

I'm sorry you're too retarded to understand logic.

 

[Alpha_T83]

Perhaps this is exactly why he called it a TKO?

That's the problem: it wasn't a TKO.

The reason people are calling it a bad stoppage is because Tallison stood up and clearly wasn't finished. But he cheated multiple times to stand up from a bad position. Without grabbing the fence, he wouldn't have been able to stand up, and would have eventually been finished.

That's why this fight either should have been allowed to continue, possibly with a point deduction, or be called a DQ loss. IMO it should be a DQ loss.

 

[Alpha_T83]

If you can't KTFO a dude when you can use full torque and bodyweight while he's defenseless climbing some fence then I doubt arm punches on the ground would do it.

I disagree. He had Tallison in a bad spot, and Tallison wouldn't have been able to stand up without grabbing the cage. I think another 10-15 seconds of that beating and Lewis gets the TKO.

 

[Ara tech]

If you are not cheating, you are not trying mentality is a plague.

He violated the rules, if it was not a stoppage, at least it would must be a point deduction.

Alpha_T83 is not wrong. They know the rules, cheating must simply not be allowed. You could escape a bad G&P position with grabing the fence to try to get up, or to pin an opponent abusively with an underhook.

We are not in the 80 to be able to grab the fence. We evolved. Period.

 

[Alpha_T83]

What if we just let the fighters fight until somebody is clearly unconscious instead

I'm more concerned about what happens in future fights when the same scenario plays out, but this time the ref doesn't stop the fight.

Should we just allow fighters to stand up from a position like that with multiple illegal fence grabs, and continue fighting? I think this is such an egregious violation of the rules that it potentially takes a win away from a fighter. This should be a disqualification that is subject to video review, if the referee determines that the fighter was in sufficient danger to be TKO'd without grabbing the fence.

 

[Y2Khaos]

Pride Rules would solve this problem

Even Wanderlei is breaking the rules here by holding the ropes while he stomped. Lol

 

[KO Shotz]

IMO it should be a DQ loss.

I've gone over this before with you my guy. A fighter can't be disqualified for grabbing the fence unless it continues throughout the fight after being warned or having a point deducted. It was a terrible stoppage. If he was gonna call the fight he should've done it when Lewis was on top slugging away. What should have happened was a point being deducted from Teixeira once he stood back up. Herzog is a fckn idiot. End of story.

 

[bjjwar]

IMO Jason Herzog made the right call stopping Black Beast vs Tallison Texeira, but it should have been ruled a DQ loss for Tallison.



Tallison BLATANTLY grabbed the fence multiple times to stand up from heavy ground and pound. This should be an immediate DQ loss. We shouldn't be allowing fighters to escape from positions like this by breaking the rules. Taking a point away in this position would be completely insufficient. Lewis definitely would have knocked Tallison unconscious had Tallison not grabbed the fence. He wouldn't have been able to get up.

Bro it was 1 fence grab that lasted 1 second, wtf are you talking about and he wasnt getting ground and pounded anymore and its not like Lewis wanted to take him down and he grabbed the fence to prevent that…

 

[Alpha_T83]

I've gone over this before with you my guy. A fighter can't be disqualified for grabbing the fence unless it continues throughout the fight after being warned or having a point deducted. It was a terrible stoppage. If he was gonna call the fight he should've done it when Lewis was on top slugging away. What should have happened was pausing the fight to deduct a point from Teixeira. Herzog is a fckn idiot. End of story.

That's not true. There's nowhere in the rules that supports what you're saying, specifically about fence grabs.

Petr Yan was instantly disqualified without warning or point deduction, for his illegal knee. Refs don't need to issue warnings or point deductions before a DQ. They give the fighters the rules before the fight starts. That's your warning.

While you are technically correct that MOST of the time fence grabs aren't egregious enough to deserve instant disqualifications, this one was.

 

[Alpha_T83]

Bro it was 1 fence grab that lasted 1 second, wtf are you talking about and he wasnt getting ground and pounded anymore and its not like Lewis wanted to take him down and he grabbed the fence to prevent that…

It's 3 separate fence grabs to climb up the fence. Hard to see from the angle but he clearly "walks" his hands up the cage to get back to his feet. He's not standing up without climbing the cage like that.

You think he could stand up without grabbing the fence??? I definitely don't.

 

[Kung Fu Kowboy]

Even Wanderlei is breaking the rules here by holding the ropes while he stomped. Lol

I'll allow it if it stops cheating.

 

[froggyluv]

Rather they fully legalize fence grabbing -if its part of the environment -its part of the fight.

 

[Alpha_T83]

I'll allow it if it stops cheating.

I'm curious, would you rather see Tallison take away a TKO from Lewis by illegally grabbing the fence like he did?

Or are you saying you'd rather see Lewis grab the fence and stomp him unconscious? I'm fine with the latter TBH. Wes Sims vs Frank Mir style.