Muay Thai at Paris Olympics 2024

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There's been some side show going on at the Olympics for Muay Thai with Buakaw at the forefront:


At the Tokyo Olympic games it was recognized as an olympic sport, now this.

Perhaps it will be at the Olympics eventually?

ps: I didn't know Buakaw was involved in RWS, with him wanting more foreigners fighting in the stadiums.
 
I'd prefer if it never became an Olympic sport; they tend to be a net negative on the things they touch. Plus, the Olympics don't allow pros to compete, so I have as little interest in watching that as I do Olympic Boxing. Hell, I think Boxing would be better off without the Olympics too. Most sports would.
 
I'd prefer if it never became an Olympic sport; they tend to be a net negative on the things they touch. Plus, the Olympics don't allow pros to compete, so I have as little interest in watching that as I do Olympic Boxing. Hell, I think Boxing would be better off without the Olympics too. Most sports would.
Professional Boxers are now allowed to compete in the Olympics. I believe that rule changed back in 2016.
Bakhodir Jalolov became a two-time Olympic champion this weekend for example, while having a pro-record of 14-0:


 
I'd prefer if it never became an Olympic sport; they tend to be a net negative on the things they touch. Plus, the Olympics don't allow pros to compete, so I have as little interest in watching that as I do Olympic Boxing. Hell, I think Boxing would be better off without the Olympics too. Most sports would.

They do allow pros to compete, Lebron James was playing for the US basketball team.
 
Professional Boxers are now allowed to compete in the Olympics. I believe that rule changed back in 2016.
Bakhodir Jalolov became a two-time Olympic champion this weekend for example, while having a pro-record of 14-0:


They do allow pros to compete, Lebron James was playing for the US basketball team.
We'll don't I look silly haha, I did not know that! That'd make it more interesting to watch, but I still have a lot of reservations about the IOC. Only upside I can think of is that it could nearly preserve traditional Muay Thai from erosion if the ruleset and scoring system implemented were similar enough. I guess I do have a history of being a pessimist, though.
 
Olympic MT would just be a glorified IFMA, which is lame.
 
Olympic MT would just be a glorified IFMA, which is lame.

Amateur MT is not a bad thing for MT overall IMO. It brings more people to MT gyms and more eyes onto the sport. It also means more government funding into the sport itself and perhaps even the opportunity for kids to do MT as a sport at school or getting sports grants for people with less money to be able to train.
 
Amateur MT is not a bad thing for MT overall IMO. It brings more people to MT gyms and more eyes onto the sport. It also means more government funding into the sport itself and perhaps even the opportunity for kids to do MT as a sport at school or getting sports grants for people with less money to be able to train.
Yeah I agree, its a good way to get experience when youre not in Thailand. Kinda like a feeder league that gives out gold medals.
 
It's worthwhile if it becomes a kind of pinnacle of amateur competition that acts as a feeder for pro leagues, but unless you get the Thais interested then it just creates a high-level bush league

Doesn't look good if someone wins gold and then gets rinsed by a mid-tier Thai fighter
 
It's worthwhile if it becomes a kind of pinnacle of amateur competition that acts as a feeder for pro leagues, but unless you get the Thais interested then it just creates a high-level bush league

Doesn't look good if someone wins gold and then gets rinsed by a mid-tier Thai fighter
That's like 5-10 free medals for Thailand at the Olympics. It's not a question whether Thailand will be into it, that's entirely in their interest.
 
I can't help but think that saying the Olympics would ruin Muay Thai is just gatekeeping.

The Olympics would literally just make Muay Thai bigger. Also, unlike Judo and TKD, Muay Thai is already a prize-fighting sport, so even if the Olympics had different rules it wouldn't affect the Muay Thai you already like.
 
even if the Olympics had different rules it wouldn't affect the Muay Thai you already like.
lol go tell that to a Judo or TKD practitioner. The Olympics are way bigger than Muay Thai, they have the power to completely change the landscape of the sport. If Olympic Muay Thai competition were conducted with chest pads and 16oz gloves, that would become the norm pretty much everywhere. Thailand has a vested interest in winning those gold medals, and they would train accordingly. It's not elitism or gatekeeping, it's common sense
 
lol go tell that to a Judo or TKD practitioner. The Olympics are way bigger than Muay Thai, they have the power to completely change the landscape of the sport. If Olympic Muay Thai competition were conducted with chest pads and 16oz gloves, that would become the norm pretty much everywhere. Thailand has a vested interest in winning those gold medals, and they would train accordingly. It's not elitism or gatekeeping, it's common sense
I literally addressed that in the very same post.

Muay Thai is nothing like TKD or Judo. It is more similar to boxing, and no, the existence of different rules in Olympic boxing did not change professional boxing. The existence of freestyle wrestling and greco-roman doesn't eliminate folkstyle wrestling from USA, Mongolia, The Gambia etc. Muay Thai is also a prize fighting sport and a spectator sport - Judo and TKD are not.

And before you mention it, it is not relevant that Muay Thai fighters make less money than boxers. Most Muay Thai fighters in Thailand still make money by fighting weekly in prize fights that have to appeal to audiences and gamblers. The Olympics is not frequent enough nor does it support enough fighters to change the Muay Thai.

Judo and TKD are affected by the Olympics because they are amateur sports. Also, the people that changed those rules are the same associates that control other major competitions in those sports. It's not like some random guy at the IOC just decided to ban leg takedowns in Judo, it was a collective effort by several authorities on Judo.

When it's time to fight for the trials, Muay Thai guys would just go at it, just like folkstyle wrestlers go at it to make the freestyle USA team. There wouldn't be a need to re-do all of Muay Thai, nor would it be profitable for the industry to do so.



The fact that you went straight to "common sense" is actually just another way of saying you didn't use any critical thinking, which goes by your complete lack of nuance or understanding of any of those sports, much less the Olympics.


But sure, even though Thailand would already dominate Muay Thai in any ruleset, I am sure that the Olympic version will utterly destroy the rule set insanely profitable Muay Thai gyms race to adapt to different ounce gloves and headgear in fear of losing to French farangs, who somehow will be better adapted to that change .

Thailand is so far ahead of the competition, that it is laughable that you think they'd have to drastically adapt Thai rules to be anything but the overwhelming favorites at the Olympics. Yeah, I'm shocked American basketball players are still medaling without adapting Euroleague rules, and the gap between Thai's in Thailand vs the field is much bigger than Americans in basketball to put things in perspective.



And if anything, if the Olympics did change Muay Thai, it would make it point based which literally favors how Muay Thai is already traditionally done (or rather, can easily be adapted without drastically changing stadium Muay Thai).

It's not like they'd go in the direction of ONE Championship, which is more kickboxing centric and pays enough to actually alter the way some guys fight. An Olympic style of Muay Thai isn't having just bleed battles in the Olympics lol.
 
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Clearly I struck a nerve, so let's break this down.
Muay Thai is nothing like TKD or Judo. It is more similar to boxing, and no, the existence of different rules in Olympic boxing did not change professional boxing. The existence of freestyle wrestling and greco-roman doesn't eliminate folkstyle wrestling from USA, Mongolia, The Gambia etc. Muay Thai is also a prize fighting sport and a spectator sport - Judo and TKD are not.
Muay Thai is only similar to Boxing in that it is presented in a similar fashion to Boxing (i.e., the ring, gloves, etc). Boxing has had significantly stronger international appeal/popularity, as well as being a significantly more popular sport in the most powerful nations who have often dominated the medal table and the IOC. Muay Thai is completely eclipsed by Boxing in popularity -- hell, even TKD is more popular than Muay Thai (obviously not in terms of competition viewership, but in terms of cultural significance). I never said Olympic Boxing changed Boxing's rules; Olympic Boxing has been a separate form of competition for ages and has a tradition of being an amateur Boxing achievement before the ban was lifted on pros. It is dumb to compare Muay Thai to Boxing when both have drastically different cultures and internal structures. They are only somewhat similar visually, but completely different when you look at how competition is organized and handled.
And before you mention it, it is not relevant that Muay Thai fighters make less money than boxers. Most Muay Thai fighters in Thailand still make money by fighting weekly in prize fights that have to appeal to audiences and gamblers. The Olympics is not frequent enough nor does it support enough fighters to change the Muay Thai.
It is totally relevant and your insistence that it isn't reveals yourself as ignorant on the subject. Muay Thai fighters get paid less now than they have in the past 50 years, it is one of the biggest reasons why promotions like ONE Championship, that pay more than most Thai promotions can, is as dominant as it is at the moment. You're not considering the changes in infrastructure to support this (to make the fighter pipeline as cheap as they can), the changes in training to optimize for the ruleset (to make more money), the amount of farangs who would be coming to Thailand seeking training for the Olympic ruleset (straight up cash for the gyms). Do I need to explain capitalism to you? Also, your insistence the Olympics are not frequent enough to be a driving force of change, again, reveals your ignorance. Just take five seconds and Google the effects they have had on sporting competition as a whole, how they have affected other sports involved in the Olympics, and the corruption of the IOC.
Judo and TKD are affected by the Olympics because they are amateur sports. Also, the people that changed those rules are the same associates that control other major competitions in those sports. It's not like some random guy at the IOC just decided to ban leg takedowns in Judo, it was a collective effort by several authorities on Judo.
An association will change their rules because they want inclusion in the Olympics. Also, you are wrong about Judo, once again revealing your ignorance. The IOC will only recognize one global administrative body for a given sport. For Judo, it was the IJF, for TKD it was the WTF, and for Muay Thai, IFMA was chosen. They hold the reigns.

When it's time to fight for the trials, Muay Thai guys would just go at it, just like folkstyle wrestlers go at it to make the freestyle USA team. There wouldn't be a need to re-do all of Muay Thai, nor would it be profitable for the industry to do soso.
They would "just go at it" within the confines of the Olympic ruleset and scoring system, which would alter how they fight. Have you ever competed before? I don't think you would have had this thought if you had fought before and felt how even small changes in scoring or rules will drastically change your approach to a fight.
The fact that you went straight to "common sense" is actually just another way of saying you didn't use any critical thinking, which goes by your complete lack of nuance or understanding of any of those sports, much less the Olympics.
Most folks I talk to have that common sense I was referring to. Usually don't feel the need to write out all of the nuance because most people can just read between the lines. You cannot, so here you are, reinforcing my point.
But sure, even though Thailand would already dominate Muay Thai in any ruleset, I am sure that the Olympic version will utterly destroy the rule set insanely profitable Muay Thai gyms race to adapt to different ounce gloves and headgear in fear of losing to French farangs, who somehow will be better adapted to that change .

Thailand is so far ahead of the competition, that it is laughable that you think they'd have to drastically adapt Thai rules to be anything but the overwhelming favorites at the Olympics. Yeah, I'm shocked American basketball players are still medaling without adapting Euroleague rules, and the gap between Thai's in Thailand vs the field is much bigger than Americans in basketball to put things in perspective.
You need to watch more modern Muay Thai. Thais fighters are generally at a lower level than they have been in the past (there are still elites, but not as many as there used to be), and farang are improving more and more. Thai dominance is not guaranteed and if trends continue, will be eroding more and more in the coming years.
And if anything, if the Olympics did change Muay Thai, it would make it point based which literally favors how Muay Thai is already traditionally done (or rather, can easily be adapted without drastically changing stadium Muay Thai).

It's not like they'd go in the direction of ONE Championship, which is more kickboxing centric and pays enough to actually alter the way some guys fight. An Olympic style of Muay Thai isn't having just bleed battles in the Olympics lol.
I already said earlier in the thread that the ruleset being as close to traditional Muay Thai as possible is the best case scenario. But conflating point-based amateur Muay Thai scoring with traditional Thai scoring? Come on man.
 
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