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MT teep vs MMA teep

Discussion in 'Standup Technique' started by ImmigrantMentality, Jul 28, 2020.

  1. AndyMaBobs Brown Belt

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    then Petr Yan or Alexander Volkanovski comes along with rock solid boxing fundamentals and their opponents go: 'wut'
     
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    So, no formalised training sequence in MMA, like in boxing/KB/MT? It’s interesting, always thought that in US there is one. Russian mma training is also very wild, except for combat sambo, where strict regime exists.
     
  3. DoctorTaco Breadhead

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    the closest thing you’ll see is the common structure of an mma class. You start with drilling a striking combination. Add a take down. Then finish the sequence with some positional transition and a submission. Pretty standard Curriculum at most gyms
     
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  4. j123 Pro Sherdogger 500-0-1

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    Depends on the day and the bulk of the class:
    • if its full of hobbyists it'll be typical "keep hobbyists around" routine, lots of exciting methods, and S&C
    • if there are more fighters around, would be more drilling
    • If there are specific fighters with fights around, it will be about the methods most will use
    • If the fighting favorite is in, it will be focused on that. eg. coach's pet is a southpaw, there will be drills for southies on dealing with orthos
    Typically it was usually:
    if striking focused: drills with striking, add takedown or TDD, mimic on pads, spar if it was fighter day

    if grappling focused: drills on the ground/fence or from TD, add GnP, spar if it was fighter day
     
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    Snap kick is more non-committal, when teeping you put in more 'follow through'.

    The better you are in the clinch, the better you are at offensive grappling, the more you can use a squarer stance for striking in neutral.
     
  6. TheBystander5 White Belt

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    Which has better technique? I would say MT.

    For one i think Westerners have stiff hips due to sitting on toilet bowl and sitting all day in cubicle. Thai fighters, Asians in general seem more flexible in lower areas. More flexible lower area mean more control over strike with use of lower body and that includes Teep.

    Also, square or bladed stance i dont think matter, just have to adjust technique. Samart Payakaroon stands rather bladed for MT but his teep game was bar none.
     
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  7. j123 Pro Sherdogger 500-0-1

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    I propose that we should all go to work like this and forgo the use of chairs to help flexibility

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  8. Twelvepack Orange Belt

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    It's rare but some MT fighters even use an angled side kick/teep to keep distance. I would assume this is for the fighters who use a more bladed stance since it would be harder to teep straight on
     
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    yeah the teep is a fighting fundamental. it can cause the fight to slow to your pace. i dont see the different between muay thai and mma teeps. they re both used to do the same thing
     
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    The MMA fighter I'm currently coaching I have basically got 'teeping' but using the side kick as a substitute with his stance. Using it for mostly the same purpose defensively, and the advantage there is that the angle of a side kick is just ever so slightly harder to grab than a teep or a front kick. Just more awkard enough.

    My Muay Thai fighter completely dominated his debut with nothing but hip scoots to dodge low kicks and teeps, but the principle for both fighters is the same.

    I think normally the principles are more important than the specific moves used, with some exceptions of course
     
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    I agree; i am a big fan of Payakaroon's 'side teep' actually, which i feel can come more naturally to a lot of guys. As well, turning the hips does bring one closer to the body position for a limp leg single leg defense.
     
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  12. shincheckin Black Belt

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    Skarbowsky had a great teep.
     
  13. Paradigm Gold Belt

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    That's the Asian squat...commonly seen in front of pool halls and cigarette smoke.



    Well...he DID mention Samart in his post.

     
  14. Twelvepack Orange Belt

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    Well he DID NOT mention the angled teep
     
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    I just figured it was common knowledge at this point on this subforum. Topics get rehashed every so often.

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    Not everyone lives on sherdog you nerd. Some people haven't heard of it
     
  17. Iroh The Dragon of the West Platinum Member

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    Calf kick is also a better weapon for MMA than for MT or KB, because it's a safer low kick, for MMA. It generally has better range and can be done quickly as it doesn't have to travel far. In MMA you always have to be much more on your guard about being taken down, than in MT. In MT you just have to worry about limited sweeps & throws. It's easier to do without standing too stationary, so you're more mobile, and you're also quicker to react due to the short execution time. Which all contribute to a better TDD, and also contributes to better striking defense, for basically the same reasons.
     
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  18. Paradigm Gold Belt

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    Read more and post less then...

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  19. KBE6EKCTAH_CCP Throwing my apanyent

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    Even then you still see a more "mae gaeri" ish teep in stadium MT from time to time but it's usually from old school golden era fighters. I don't have concrete examples unfortunately but even in MT teeps are very, very diverse. Front teep, back teep, teep facing the front, teep facing the side, push teep, impact teep, stopping teep, chest teep, hip teep, gut teep. I mean seriously it looks like a very standardised kick but I would venture as far as saying that it is the most varied kick in martial arts.

    In any case I certainly agree with you that the prevalent "pushing teep" from muay thai is not very prevalent in MMA. What we usually see is the safer snapping mae geri as you currently point out. It is a seriously underutilised tool but it is a risky thing in MMA because the threat of the takedown is there. Sure you can get tossed in MT, too, but the consequences are much lower. Get taken down by a good wrestler with serious GNP and you are in shit.

    EDIT: just wanted to add that nobody in MMA is as adept as stadium thai fighters at retaining balance on a caught kick. This is a skill that is obtained through years and years of training and it explains how come kicking is SOOOOO prevalent in stadium MT, even though catching the leg and sweeping the shit out of the kicking apanyent is not only allowed but heavily scored: thais have unreal balance and hip flexibility, so that most often they don't even bother to sweep after catching the kick. Of course with wrestling takedowns it changes everything, as I was mentioning.
     
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  20. AndyMaBobs Brown Belt

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    All those teep variants are also very fighter dependent too. Some people like to teep flat on the foot, I've always liked to teep with the ball of my foot so that it drives in more. Just differences in preference and style too

    Best balance I've seen on one leg I've seen in MMA was Cain Velasquez vs Brock Lesnar, I can't remember if it was a caught kick or an attempt at a single, but Cain hops on one leg the entire length of the cage and doesn't go down.

    There's also the added fact that while Thai's have very good balance, they also have an advantage in their sport in that they can't be osoto'd.
     

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