Mother Teresa: Hell's Angel.

panamaican said:
I haven't finished watching the video but I've been to MT's hospice. I think you have to take it in the context of the surrounding area and not just the Western world's idea of care.

India is a shit hole in many places, Calcutta particularly so (although hardly the worst place there). Her hospice is not impressive, I personally found it disappointing. But then I went back outside and looked at the world most of those people live in and her hospice is dreamy by comparison. I was in a very nice, Western hotel looking outside at people living in shanties. When people are living in 3 wall and a roof residences, MT's hospice is like a palace. And that's now, can you imagine 30 years ago? 40 years ago?
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Yeah, I guess the tens of millions of dollars people were donating to her order just wouldn't have gone very far in a country like India. :rolleyes:

The condition of her hospice was exactly what it was because that's what it was intended to be. A place of poverty and suffering - since these two wonderful attributes bring the dying person "closer to the heart of God". A place where prayer was deemed superior to pain meds.
 
JonesBones said:
He gave people low hanging fruit, as that is all they can reach. Guys like Dawkins and Harris put out embarrassingly sophomoric philosophy. I would be ashamed to admit they "enlighten" me.
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You are ashamed that they can provide you a scientific understanding of the cosmos? How we got here?

The problem is religious people just generally hate science because it basically nullifies there lifelong beliefs. Science is right whether people like it or not.
 
MC Paul Barman said:
Some irony in a man who discounts the very notion of morality as an objective fact bemoaning another for apparently not being moral enough.
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Do you believe propagating the notion that condom use is evil is a moral thing to do?
 
InvestigatorIL said:
You are ashamed that they can provide you a scientific understanding of the cosmos? How we got here?

The problem is religious people just generally hate science because it basically nullifies there lifelong beliefs. Science is right whether people like it or not.
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I can do that too. Religious people figured that out as well. Big Bang. Heliocentrism. Genetics.

There is little science coming from Dawkins and Harris. If anything, they distort science for their cause. They use it as a scourge against religion.
 
JonesBones said:
So you like him for name calling and polemics. He doesn't add any value to anything. Bill Hicks is an irrational nut too. Paranoid conspiracy theorist, whose intellect I have no respect for. Believing in that shit is even worse than religion imo. Religion is somewhat metaphysical, and claims truth beyond this world. Conspiracy theorists claim bullshit within it. It is similar to God. The government/illuminati is an omnipotent boogeyman that can get away with anything. Everything is by design.
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Hicks was a great comedian and that's why I'm a fan of his. Nothing to do with him being a conspiracy theorist. He was also a spiritual person, but didn't buy into organized religion.
 
Btw, MT may have been agnostic/atheist.

"I call, I cling, I want — and there is no One to answer — no One on Whom I can cling — no, No One. — Alone … Where is my Faith — even deep down right in there is nothing, but emptiness & darkness — My God — how painful is this unknown pain — I have no Faith — I dare not utter the words & thoughts that crowd in my heart — & make me suffer untold agony.

So many unanswered questions live within me afraid to uncover them — because of the blasphemy — If there be God — please forgive me — When I try to raise my thoughts to Heaven — there is such convicting emptiness that those very thoughts return like sharp knives & hurt my very soul. — I am told God loves me — and yet the reality of darkness & coldness & emptiness is so great that nothing touches my soul."

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/daylightatheism/2007/08/mother-teresas-loss-of-faith/
 
JonesBones said:
I can do that too. Religious people figured that out as well. Big Bang. Heliocentrism. Genetics.

There is little science coming from Dawkins and Harris. If anything, they distort science for their cause. They use it as a scourge against religion.
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I can see your side and why you may think that, but I think it's more that science itself is a scourge against religion.

The two can't exist together, I mean in many situations one has to be right and one has to be wrong.
 
InvestigatorIL said:
You are ashamed that they can provide you a scientific understanding of the cosmos? How we got here?

The problem is religious people just generally hate science because it basically nullifies there lifelong beliefs. Science is right whether people like it or not.
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Except when it is wrong...
 
JonesBones said:
There is little science coming from Dawkins and Harris. If anything, they distort science for their cause. They use it as a scourge against religion.
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Great (banned) Ted Talk from Dr. Sheldrake on the scientism of people like Dawkins and Harris.

 
InvestigatorIL said:
I can see your side and why you may think that, but I think it's more that science itself is a scourge against religion.

The two can't exist together, I mean in many situations one has to be right and one has to be wrong.
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What decides right and wrong? You are making a philosophical statement. By your own method, any view you embrace is as equally meaningless as religion. Both science and God came out of a human's mind. Out of physiology/biology. They are blind mechanical processes. They coexist in a human's head, by your own method. So, you're wrong by the evidence.

How can one be superior to another? They are equally meaningless and natural. It is like saying Mercury is truer than Jupiter or something. The universe has no right or wrong.
 
klnOmega said:
The electron is not a particle moving in a defined orbit around a hydrogen nucleus
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Thats the beauty of science. When wrong, they can actually test and retest until they come up with an answer that is repeatable.

I fail to see where this is done in religion? It's just... this book says believe in nonsense and thats it.
 
JonesBones said:
What decides right and wrong? You are making a philosophical statement. By your own method, any view you embrace is as equally meaningless as religion. Both science and God came out of a human's mind. Out of physiology/biology. They are blind mechanical processes. How can one be superior to another? They are equally meaningless and natural. It is like saying Mercury is truer than Jupiter or something. The universe has no right or wrong.
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Science is testable, repeatable, you can touch it, see it, smell it, taste it. You can do none of this with god.

They are so different it really isn't even worth talking about. Also, science does not come out of a human mind, it is what it is. If I drop a pencil it's going to fall right? I know it's going to fall without even having to see it because I know what pencils do when dropped. That is not from a humans mind. It is repeatable, unlike a god who can easily be man made.

There are thousands of man made gods, it's just which one is the flavor of the month

Also, there is no right and wrong. That is all subjective...ALL OF IT
 
InvestigatorIL said:
Science is testable, repeatable, you can touch it, see it, smell it, taste it. You can do none of this was god.

They are so different it really isn't even worth talking about. Also, science does not come out of a human mind, it is what it is. If I drop a pencil it's going to fall right? I know it's going to fall without even having to see it because I know what pencils do when dropped. That is not from a humans mind. It is repeatable, unlike a god who can easily be man made.

There are thousands of man made gods, it's just which one is the flavor of the month

Also, there is no right and wrong. That is all subjective...ALL OF IT
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Science is consistent by the methods of science. A lot of systems can prove themselves within themselves. That is quite easy.

Science is a method that comes out of the human mind. It is a human abstraction, that works through human theory. If you drop a pencil, that phenomenon is abstracted so many times to explain it. Something is lost each time.

The Western approach to reality is mostly through theory, and theory begins by denying reality
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ultramanhyata said:
Great (banned) Ted Talk from Dr. Sheldrake on the scientism of people like Dawkins and Harris.

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I watched the whole video. In it he claims that there is evidence of telepathy. Where is the evidence for this claim?
 
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