Most underrated champs in UFC history

[RonMachineGunJhun]

Former opponent Jeremy Horn disagrees, and I dont think its because of bad blood

I dont think anyone ever said Frank had great Jiu jitsu. I dont ever remember Frank himself claiming to have great jiu jitsu either. Still one of the more underated champs. So was Horn though he had some huge wins over top guys and durable as heck.

 

[ThunderStruck]

So your answer to it being universally listed is "sometimes people are wrong"? Is that honestly a valid response? If so, my reply to you is sometimes you're just wrong.

It all comes down to the first round. Both clearly won 2 rounds. That first round was pretty damn close. Hardly a robbery.

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

Former opponent Jeremy Horn disagrees, and I dont think its because of bad blood

Should ask Kevin Jackson what he thinks

 

[Tapioca Cold]

Nobody other than the fanboys believe that GSP beat Hendricks

I don't need to 'believe' he beat Hendriks. He did beat Hendriks. Take it up with the judges.

 

[markg171]

Serra.

• He's an ADCC World Silver Medalist, where he subbed Gomi. AKA he very well might've beaten Gomi in MMA if they'd ever fought.
• It's also noteworthy that Serra wasn't even allowed to compete in the Gold medal match as Renzo forced him to bow out due to Gracie hierarchy. Serra lost gold through no fault of his own, but rather dumb Gracie rules.
• He had a competitive bout with BJ that had Serra won he'd have been fighting for the LW belt. BJ went on to draw for the belt then KO'd Pulver to become #1 LW only a few months after this. Serra meanwhile had a split decision loss to Din Thomas when Din was a top LW. Serra was very much a top LW.
• It was TUF Comeback precisely because they were bringing back former great fighters for an almost Rocky style title shot. It wasn't TUF Bums like Sherdog pretends it was. It actually had a full tournament of good fighters rather than every other season which is prospect finding tournament. People forget that the MW winner that year was Travis Lutter, who likewise got a title shot and likewise ran roughshod over Anderson. Fortunately for Anderson Lutter had a horrible weight cut.
• He beat GSP, the WW GOAT. GSP may not have been as good as he'd become, but he'd just beaten Hughes, had nearly beaten him the 1st time, and would go beat BJ and Koscheck afterwards. You can't just erase away this kind of all time great win.
• Serra was scheduled to defend his title against Hughes. He didn't just win his belt and fuck off. Hughes BTW earned his title shot by beating Lytle, who was the guy Serra beat to win TUF.
• Serra unfortunately got injured so GSP fought Hughes and won, thereby forced Serra to defend against the guy who should've always been champ.
• Notably, but Serra did go on to fight Hughes after he lost his title, where they had a competitive bout. Again showing he actually was a fairly top WW, and potentially could've had a defence if he'd defended against Hughes as intended instead of GSP.
• After his career he became a top MMA coach, producing champs like Weidman and Sterling

Serra was obviously never the real #1 WW in the world, but he gets unfairly singled out for that. Plenty of champs weren't. But everybody ignores that his career shows that regardless of that he was a top LW and WW, which is far more than others.

 

[johnyboy]

Only people who have no clue how MMA is scored think Hendricks was robbed.

"bUt LoOk At GsPs FaCe He MuStA lOsT!"

Idiots.

I dunno man, let's be honest. It was a tough competitive fight and we should agree it was hard to score.

 

[dipstickjimmy]

i asked for an answer and got a bs response of "sometimes people are just wrong" from you. i'm not answering any questions from till i get a valid reply. otherwise sometimes you're just wrong is my reply to you.

So did you not hear my answer that I already gave?
People gave Hendricks "Extra Credit" for his performance. It wasn't some kind of one sided beat down as some like to claim. If a lot of people thought Hendricks won I can understand that. But when you look at the fight the first round was the deciding factor. For it to be a robbery it would have to be impossible to justify giving the round to GSP based on the scoring criteria. That simply isn't the case.

GSP clearly won 2 rounds. Hendricks clearly won 2 rounds. One round was close and could have gone either way. If you gave the first to Hendricks I can understand that. I can also understand giving it to GSP. Statistics (which have no bias) bear out how close it was based on the scoring criteria.

I would sincerely like to hear how you would score the fight round by round. I would also like to know if you agree with the following:
1. Rounds 2 & 4 were clearly Hendricks.
2. Rounds 3 & 5 were GSPs.
3. Round 1 was the deciding factor.

If you don't agree I would like to hear how you scored it and why.
If you do agree I would like to hear how you scored the first and why. Specifically if you can at all see it as a close round.

 

[Drill]

Lawler fought all the guys GSP didn't want to fight? He did fight Hendricks and Condit after GSP beat them.

GSP lost to Hendricks g

 

[snaportap21]

It all comes down to the first round. Both clearly won 2 rounds. That first round was pretty damn close. Hardly a robbery.

I’m not going thru this again with another person. Go look up my previous replies.

 

[snaportap21]

So did you not hear my answer that I already gave?
People gave Hendricks "Extra Credit" for his performance. It wasn't some kind of one sided beat down as some like to claim. If a lot of people thought Hendricks won I can understand that. But when you look at the fight the first round was the deciding factor. For it to be a robbery it would have to be impossible to justify giving the round to GSP based on the scoring criteria. That simply isn't the case.

GSP clearly won 2 rounds. Hendricks clearly won 2 rounds. One round was close and could have gone either way. If you gave the first to Hendricks I can understand that. I can also understand giving it to GSP. Statistics (which have no bias) bear out how close it was based on the scoring criteria.

I would sincerely like to hear how you would score the fight round by round. I would also like to know if you agree with the following:
1. Rounds 2 & 4 were clearly Hendricks.
2. Rounds 3 & 5 were GSPs.
3. Round 1 was the deciding factor.

If you don't agree I would like to hear how you scored it and why.
If you do agree I would like to hear how you scored the first and why. Specifically if you can at all see it as a close round.

Stop giving GSP extra credit because he was a long time champ.

 

[dipstickjimmy]

Stop giving GSP extra credit because he was a long time champ.

I honestly want to hear what you scored the fight. Again if you scored the first for Hendricks I can understand but I don't believe it was so dominant as to be unquestionable. Maybe if you explained how you saw it I would be made to see something I didn't?

I truly would like to discuss the fight and not trade barbs.

 

[jsbx45]

Timmeh, Pulver, Serra (lol), Alvarez, Bisping.

 

[HavokHarmon]

Do you know what the Halo Effect is? Hendricks isn't getting dominated like everyone else GSP fought. He must be winning.

Break down how you scored the fight.

Simply put the 3rd and 5th there is no argument were GSP's. 2nd and 4th were for Hendricks. The 3 judges unanimously scored these 4 rounds. The first was the deciding round.

Round 1 was 19-18 in significant strikes for GSP. 27-26 in total strikes for Hendricks. Both had 1 TD each. GSP had one submission attempt Johny zero. Close round that coiuld go either way. Johny shouldn't get extra credit for doing better than all the others who lost before him. I believe if you watched that fight on a computer played out with Random avatars like a video game and scored it you would see it as a close fight that could go either way.

GSP outstruck Hendricks overall, 4 of the rounds were within 5 strikes or less but the one other round GSP outstruck Hendricks 31-15 in significant strikes. More than double but that was a 10-9 like all the other razor close rounds? In order to be the man you gotta Beat the Man and Johnny failed to do that.

Awesome post, I haven’t watched it in a while but I think the main issue was that Johnnys strikes looked a lot more damaging. How you weight that ends up being pretty subjective, I personally thought Hendricks won but I can easily see it the other way and don’t think it was the robbery that a lot of people make it out to be. And either way ts is wrong here, whoever you think should have won you can’t say that GSP didn’t fight him lol.

 

[Mangar]

Conor

 

[ThunderStruck]

I’m not going thru this again with another person. Go look up my previous replies.

I don't care about your other replies. It all comes down to how you score the first round, which was close. Not a robbery.

 

[Cameron]

Nobody other than the fanboys believe that GSP beat Hendricks

You forgot the judges

 

[Ghostoftheville]

Do you know what the Halo Effect is? Hendricks isn't getting dominated like everyone else GSP fought. He must be winning.

Break down how you scored the fight.

Simply put the 3rd and 5th there is no argument were GSP's. 2nd and 4th were for Hendricks. The 3 judges unanimously scored these 4 rounds. The first was the deciding round.

Round 1 was 19-18 in significant strikes for GSP. 27-26 in total strikes for Hendricks. Both had 1 TD each. GSP had one submission attempt Johny zero. Close round that coiuld go either way. Johny shouldn't get extra credit for doing better than all the others who lost before him. I believe if you watched that fight on a computer played out with Random avatars like a video game and scored it you would see it as a close fight that could go either way.

GSP outstruck Hendricks overall, 4 of the rounds were within 5 strikes or less but the one other round GSP outstruck Hendricks 31-15 in significant strikes. More than double but that was a 10-9 like all the other razor close rounds? In order to be the man you gotta Beat the Man and Johnny failed to do that.

Look at you trying to use statistics to back up your argument, this is sherdog that doesn't matter!

 

[jsbx45]

Evan Tanner and Rich Franklin. Both basically self taught. Also Frankie Edgar. What he did at LW when he has shown he is basically a BW/ His wars with Maynard and beating BJ 1 1/2 times

Respect Frankie, but I don't think he's underrated around here.

 

[jsbx45]

the fight was extremely close. I always rooted against gsp in all of his fights.
At the time I scored in for Hendricks. Round one was the swing round. The others were pretty clear.

fights like This someone will be at the unfortunate end as it’s so damn close.

Another reason isnusuLly fights like that there is a rematch. But gsp retired and it made the fight that much more unsatisying. As Hendricks was close could have won. And didn’t get another crack at it.

I'm a big GSP fan and I agree with this post.

 

[pankrat]

Should ask Kevin Jackson what he thinks

Honestly, I dont think whatever thinks a guy with no clue in BJJ weights more than the opinion of one of the most respected grapplers of his era in Jeremy Horn.

Shamrock was an icon and a very solid fighter, but I agree on Horn that he was overrated skill wise