Most Important in Grappling?

Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by The Man Monster, Jul 21, 2005.

  1. The Man Monster

    The Man Monster Orange Belt

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    What do you think is more important:

    Knowing Submissions
    Knowing Escapes
    Posistioning


    You can pick only one, this is to give me a better understanding of what I need to work on.
    Thanks!
     
  2. Corey123

    Corey123 Guest

    Positioning.
     
  3. Bmonk**

    Bmonk** Guest

    1) Positioning
    2) Submissions
    3) Escapes
     
  4. wildcard_seven

    wildcard_seven Purple Belt

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    Sorry to throw this in there but I would have to say takedowns first, and this is coming from a bjj guy, no wrestling background. Position is king, but without solid takedown skills you will be forced to work backwords...escape after being taken down, get a position, and then sub. After your takedown, you want to get position while knowing escaping in case your opponent catches you with something, then of course-submit.
     
  5. LCDforMe

    LCDforMe Purple Belt

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    Good point wildcard_seven.

    I'll say position with the given list but otherwise, I follow wildcar_seven.
     
  6. Balto

    Balto Silver Belt

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    I say knowing escapes. Positioning is related to this, but I assumed by positioning you meant holding dominant positions.

    Being able to escape from dominant positions is probably the most useful thing you can know in grappling. It makes you very difficult to submit and is very demoralizing to your opponent.

    One of my training partners is really awesome at escaping and it frustrates wrestlers to no end. They can't pin him or hold him down without a serious fight. One of them told me once that he was the most slippery guy he ever wrestled.

    If I had to choose one category, I'd definitely go with escapes. They are the first techniques I teach someone new. They are also the most important techniques, in my opinion.
     
  7. Bmonk**

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    I was reffering to Escaping submission attempts. Those usually come naturally, especially after a good understanding of the submission.

    Escaping positions I included in positioning.

    He didn't mention takedowns, so I didn't bother with it.
    I'm a Judo man myself, and I'm all about takedown/sub combinations.

    So the list should be:

    Takedowns
    Positioning (Getting, maintaining, and escaping)
    Submissions
     
  8. TequillaSlammer

    TequillaSlammer Green Belt

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    Positioning is priority, then escapes then submission.
     
  9. phenomfan1529

    phenomfan1529 Brown Belt

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    Denfinetly postioning first
     
  10. tudor_bjj

    tudor_bjj Purple Belt

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    Positioning
     
  11. pro shoot

    pro shoot Purple Belt

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    Positioning
    forget submissions.
     
  12. dutchmasterj3

    dutchmasterj3 Blue Belt

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    as the saying goes: protection, position, submission
     
  13. dutchmasterj3

    dutchmasterj3 Blue Belt

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    Being a white belt, you should be mostly learning escapes and protection, followed by positioning. Then becoming a blue belt, you should be able to do all those things, but with a lot more ease.
     
  14. Ken'Oh

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    positioning
     
  15. VTJas81

    VTJas81 Blue Belt

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    First u'd want to learn to defend, so I'd say learning to escape out of bad positions because you will be put there. Then learning positions and controling those positions. Next submission defense and lastly submissions. Roy harris has an article on BJJ progression on BJJ.org i believe
     
  16. Spoonman7

    Spoonman7 Red Belt

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    Movement
    Position/contorl
    Submission


    The movement phase includes takedowns and scrambling for position.
     
  17. johil d'o

    johil d'o Thought Warrior

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    I've got one word for you, and it's something Rickson repeats over and over:

    BASE

    That is the most important concept in BJJ or other grappling.
     
  18. TequillaSlammer

    TequillaSlammer Green Belt

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    I read somewhere that it should go; Position, Transition, Submission.
     
  19. 2om30

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    Position, if your in the wrong position there is no submission. Escapes well......again you need to be in a certian position too.......well you'll get it.
     
  20. colinm

    colinm Brown Belt

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    "position before submission" - its hard to NOT hear it in any bjj gym.
     

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