Most Easy and Safe Takedowns and Throws for Sport BJJ

[Luther]

I tried Kouchi many times from just being shown and I never could get it. I was later shown the judo kata(the textbook move) and I did it where they show the 1/2 step and it clicked. Next thing was that I put the 2 together and it worked and has been a fave for feeling out and lookin mean:icon_lol:


The kata will give you the feel for timing on when you will recog your oppnent is off balance. The yank at 1st to find it and the full --leg out the inner thigh...or just hooking the ankle with yours after having found it will make it work.

You will get 2 from this easy at no threat and be able to step around, if not go up high with attacking foot to knee/belly. No real defence/counter to it really.

It does take patience to learn tho as it is really uneventful in learning it, but its good and fast.

Athletic? no. It helps but it also is just a good strong attack, the real grappling jab, if failed.

Now I get it, thanks for explaining, I'll look into that.

 

[Balto]

...

 

[YeahBee]

heyyy...thats uchikomi isn't it?

uchikomi, isn't that jsut training entries? and or kusazhi directions?

Kata for me isn't just training the long series of throws like nage no kata

kata can be a sequence of counters/combos you make up aswell, but I am semi-drunk now and will not argue with the master of drunk debating:icon_chee

 

[YeahBee]

man Balto that is ridiculusly close you guys are competing

 

[Luther]

IMHO as a non-judoka/wrestler, it's all about the kouchi, single leg, drop seionage, and ankle pick.

Takedowns like double legs and uchimatas are superb, but good luck at developing them to a workable level without years of standup.

It is not too hard to develop a workable single leg, by contrast.

Totally agree except for... drop seoi. Isn't too easy for the opponent to get the back?

My teacher was thrown at the last european champion with drop seoi. In judo that was probably an ippon, but in bjj he rolled with the opponent and got the back two times. (I admit we train the counter to the drop seoi)

 

[hayliks]

If you ever come to Naples, Italy, you are welcome to my academy and to say I'm a moron in person.

Regarding the strength/power issue if you have competed in judo (or any sport) you should know better.

I wrestled for 8 years, 2x state champ, top 25 in the nation in my weight class, etc...
Won 2 judo tournaments black belt division without training judo once.
Strength and power helps OF COURSE, but techniques are not based around strength and power. ANY takedown benefits from greater strength and power, but never do they rely on them.

 

[Q mystic]

uchikomi, isn't that jsut training entries?

Kata for isn't just training the long series of throws like nage no kata

kata can be a sequence of counters/combos you make up aswell, but I am semi-drunk now and will not argue with the master of drunk debating:icon_chee

Yeahbee, argue while drunk on th net? No such thing my friend. If you can get that pissed-off out here, you ain't drunk.:icon_lol: Or as Deano used to say, 'you aint drunk if you can lie on the floor without hanging on.'




Balto, I never did beans with uchimata in judo with gi but during nogi I did hit it and never landed in where they could roll. I think that i didn't focus so much on the twist hip throw as I did with driving the planted leg to give us a different trajectory to land in.

I never really had the grips so when the load was on under hip I drove with the left(planted leg) hard to the side and I think that helped. I was never really in a good position or for ippon but it was an ok one and I would have scored 2 in bjj.

Not as pertty tho

 

[Luther]

Here are some videos of me using the uchi mata:

[cut]

The technique is pretty sloppy unfortunately, but it should give you a rough idea of one way to go for it.

You make heavy use of the leg (ken-ken) and high collar grip. But you also hit a fantastic osoto/uchimata renraku from the cross collar grip, and you do not over-commit the throw.

Thanks man, much appreciated.

 

[Luther]

I wrestled for 8 years, 2x state champ, top 25 in the nation in my weight class, etc...
Won 2 judo tournaments black belt division without training judo once.
Strength and power helps OF COURSE, but techniques are not based around strength and power. ANY takedown benefits from greater strength and power, but never do they rely on them.

Maybe it's because english is my second language, but I never implied that.

Zankou probably said it better than me.

 

[Q mystic]

I wrestled for 8 years, 2x state champ, top 25 in the nation in my weight class, etc...
Won 2 judo tournaments black belt division without training judo once.
Strength and power helps OF COURSE, but techniques are not based around strength and power. ANY takedown benefits from greater strength and power, but never do they rely on them.

I agree, a throw based on tech as much if not more so than a ground move.

Not messing with you hayliks but what judo bb tournies?

I mean, there is no wrestler here in Canada that, even with 2 years judo, that includes Dan Igali, that would win in the judo provincials.

 

[SilenceKit]

If you insist on straight bjj Luther then I gaurantee you want to learn the ko-uchi. Gaurantee it.

Kouchi FTW

<object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/-SuAzlYzpJk&hl=en"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/-SuAzlYzpJk&hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>

 

[Mikey Triangles]

arm-drag to the back


...duh

 

[Q mystic]

Kouchi FTW

<object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/-SuAzlYzpJk&hl=en"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/-SuAzlYzpJk&hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>

Thank-you Silence-kit. Nice.

Yes, that 'little step' isnt needed. Just a hard pull and a 1/2 step. You balance your halfstep with your heavy pull.

But you gotta get the timing in the kata down. I did the heavy hit kouchi w/o knowing that its actually a circular motion rather than what looks like forward and back in comp. The kata does the kusushi(breaking of balance) properly.

 

[YeahBee]

Totally agree except for... drop seoi. Isn't too easy for the opponent to get the back?

My teacher was thrown at the last european champion with drop seoi. In judo that was probably an ippon, but in bjj he rolled with the opponent and got the back two times. (I admit we train the counter to the drop seoi)

I got hit with one today, no frekkin time to get the back if done fast enough, man he was practically in between my legs and behind it like a little ball, timing y'know

 

[Q mystic]

I got hit with one today, no frekkin time to get the back if done fast enough, man he was practically in between my legs and behind it like a little ball, timing y'know

Thats the thing. At the last tourny I watched(Canadian open) a judo fella was burying everyone with seoi and during his gold match his opponent was LITERALLY offering it to him. Making movement of the throw with his arms and everything. It was hilarious. Judoka went and buddy had his back, before he even got low, for the choke.

It is a very good tech and in bjj more vulnerable but it is still worth working on for sure. Many are good techs but you just gotta learn them good and work with them. My seoinage in judo will have much more emphasis on hip. My seoi in bjj will have much more emphasis on twisting with the shoulder girdle and releasing earlier for instance. Just have to really learn and work with them. No more shortcuts than the ground game offers in the long run.

Actually, you would HAVE to make them work because other bjjers are doing them and if you slow down they will be throwing you.

Training throws will give you more benefit than just the throws also.

 

[Zankou]

Totally agree except for... drop seoi. Isn't too easy for the opponent to get the back?

My teacher was thrown at the last european champion with drop seoi. In judo that was probably an ippon, but in bjj he rolled with the opponent and got the back two times. (I admit we train the counter to the drop seoi)

It needs to be modified for BJJ to defend the back.

Saulo has an instructional where he shows how to do it for BJJ. I watched him work his way to the Mundials finals last year busting out the drop seio left and right. You have to do it a slightly modified way for BJJ, where you block the hook as you do it.

 

[hayliks]

I agree, a throw based on tech as much if not more so than a ground move.

Not messing with you hayliks but what judo bb tournies?

I mean, there is no wrestler here in Canada that, even with 2 years judo, that includes Dan Igali, that would win in the judo provincials.

they were small tournaments in dallas a few years ago, pretty much double legged almost everybody and then subbed them, i have video footage of it at home, maybe i can grab it when i'm there in a few weeks

 

[sunnycoastbjj]

I'm going to try that kouchi gari the next time i go to training!