Most consecutive championship defenses per weightclass

[Mujeriego]

oh no, it's sinister direct: he'll know: "Jeff said it up there. Manny has serious gambling problems, and has burned a lot of bridges with people in the business that could have helped him keep Kronk alive. Kronk closed down because Manny quit giving a shit about it. Plain and simple."

Yea and just like the little snarky cunt he is, he "LOLs" at someone for not having the inside information he has.
He couldve said everything he said but had to add in his little "LOL" to be a little fuckbag.

 

[Seano]

@Seano
What are your thoughts on Emanuel Steward

Legend. Good boxing mind who also knew how to motivate his guys when they were falling behind. '
I remember him riding Wladmir really hard when he was fighting Calvin Brock. He knew Wladmir was 100X the fighter Brock was, he knew fans thought he was boring. You can legit see Wlad. dreading going back to the corner but eventually, Wlad went out there and did what he was told and ended it, Great stuff.

 

[Mujeriego]

i'll always be obsessed with that man.

Oh I know.
I enjoy it. I like Prince too.
I like MJ more, but I listen to alot of Prince as well.

 

[Seano]

Seano might go on about who he hates, but ill be damned if Moz doesnt find a way to fit Prince into any discussion he can.

Hamed getting clowned by Barrerra was one of the most satisfying things I ever saw.

 

[mozfonky]

Yea and just like the little snarky cunt he is, he "LOLs" at someone for not having the inside information he has.
He couldve said everything he said but had to add in his little "LOL" to be a little fuckbag.

who? sinister?

 

[mozfonky]

Oh I know.
I enjoy it. I like Prince too.
I like MJ more, but I listen to alot of Prince as well.

i'll always love both. Lucky to have both in my era plus the old warhorse of the era, Bruce Springsteen, the only one left in that class although the forgotten Terence Trent D'arby/Sananda Maitreya is still producing great music to my ears.

 

[mozfonky]

Hamed getting clowned by Barrerra was one of the most satisfying things I ever saw.

steward was with him for that one right? he swore off one shot deals after that one didn't he?

 

[Mujeriego]

who? sinister?

Yea. For a trainer, he could benefit this forum but instead his posts will be full of snide snickering comments to people who might ask him simple questions.
Ive seen it many times here.
Now hes in the War Room being a Liberal Loon. But that doesnt matter.
Here he could be better than what he is.

 

[mozfonky]

Yea. For a trainer, he could benefit this forum but instead his posts will be full of snide snickering comments to people who might ask him simple questions.
Ive seen it many times here.
Now hes in the War Room being a Liberal Loon. But that doesnt matter.
Here he could be better than what he is.

He was gone for lots of time, or at most, just lurking. I never got real bad vibes off of him. Kinda touching how he stands up for illegals, because, like me, some of them you meet and just like right away and that's gonna effect how you feel about things making it hard for them.

As far as his Steward opinion there, it makes sense because at one time, he was close with Mike McCallum who Steward really screwed over,badly. I don't know if he's still on good terms with McCallum but i think he was when he talked about Steward that way. He's not the only one saying Manny was a gambler though. But hey, we all have our issues, as weaknesses go, grabbing titties, doing drugs, gambling might be one of the lesser ones in terms of what makes a person look like a bad guy.

 

[Mujeriego]

steward was with him for that one right? he swore off one shot deals after that one didn't he?

I guess it says Steward took over the final two weeks of Hameds camp and when he arrived he saw Hamed spar and new it was gonna be a long rough night for him against Barrera.

 

[mozfonky]

I guess it says Steward took over the final two weeks of Hameds camp and when he arrived he saw Hamed spar and new it was gonna be a long rough night for him against Barrera.

ya, i recall that, hamed did it to himself though. Got bigheaded and even his own trainer, Brendan Ingle was being treated badly in the last days of their relationship. Alll or most of that having to do with Hamed disputing the 25 percent deal that Ingle insisted on with all his fighters. Prophetically, Brendan claimed that Hamed only had a one or two more fights left in him at the time he was ousted.

 

[RichardHarrow]

Too many to name
Muhammad Ali: His Life And Times
A Neutral Corner-AJ Liebling (I have the legendary "Sweet Science" which is considered the best boxing book ever but never read it from cover to cover, it is fascinating to see just how the sport has changed).
The Greatest: My Own Story-Muhammad Ali with Richard Durham
In This Corner-Peter Heller
In The Corner: Great Boxing Trainers Talk About Their Art-Dave Anderson
Sugar Ray-also by Dave Anderson
Smokin' Joe-Joe Frazier with Phil Berger
many, many,many other great ones, instructionals by Demspey,Frazier, Edwin Haislet (who Bruce "plagiarized" extensively in his Tao Of Jeet Kune Do, i put plagiarized in italics because he never published the book, his widow did), Bios by Holmes, Duran, Leonard, and so many that I haven't even read but skimmed enough to know they are great like the books on Joe Louis and marciano. Many, many, many books that I've bought and hope I'll have the time to read someday.

Haven’t gotten around to the sweet science yet - collecting dust.

Will look into the corners.

 

[RichardHarrow]

I've found one guy on the forum, King Kabuki, aka our fave mod Sinister (I think) called him unstable I'm checking it out now:

Is Emanual Steward good for his fighters?

I like Manny Steward. I like to hear him talk, and I like to dissect his analysis. But I DONT like him cornering a fighter! I think the advice he gave to Klitchko last night was atrocious. Here we have Vladimir clearly winning the fight easily going into the final rounds.. Most trainers...

forums.sherdog.com

"Manny's a good trainer, truly one of the best in the business (I wouldn't go as far as to call him the best, he can't take credit for a lot of his Fighters being monumentally talented), but beneath that lies a pretty unstable man. The Boxing Community has known this for years. Which is why no one says anything regarding why Kronk REALLY had to close down."

trying to find the gambling reference.

Yep @Sinister is a legend.

 

[mozfonky]

Haven’t gotten around to the sweet science yet - collecting dust.

Will look into the corners.

mine too, i've read isolated chapters, here and there, ever since i was 15 or 16, but never read the whole thing as I didn't check it out of the library as a teen and it was out of print until i bought a copy a few years ago, which i never read. It's regarded and he's regarded as the best boxing writer ever, he was a lot more than that I've learned, although i haven't read his other stuff, i had a bio of him but threw it away after thinking just how many books I have to get rid of because i'll never make it through all of them.

A neurtral corner was an interesting book because it was only published like 30 years after he died and it also gave us a brief, early look at the then up and coming Cassius Clay and Liebling, like almost all sportswriters, thought the young Clay was just a mouth and not much else, he didn't even seem to have any respect for Dundee at the time. Also, he wrote on Patterson and Liston and their fights, Liston was given a much more humane look by Liebling than most journalists did at the time. He also had an interesting take on Liston-Paterson, which was that Liston had hands just as fast as Patterson, which of course, wasn't true but I always thought that Liston did have fast hands not the "slow" guy the post Ali fight always told us he was. Liston was fast afoot and with his hands, Ali still undid him.

 

[RichardHarrow]

@Sinister care to chime in ? Also - what’s your favorite boxing read ?

 

[Hagler]

Eusebio was great, complete fighter only lost because he got old.

He was outshined by Sanchez at FW and Duran as a Panamean but he was the real deal indeed. They also called him dirty after he beat Laporte.

 

[mozfonky]

He was outshined by Sanchez at FW and Duran as a Panamean but he was the real deal indeed. They also called him dirty after he beat Laporte.

I remember he could get pretty rough. He had tough, tough fights like any aging champ does and even against mcguigan he didn't lose easily.

 

[r-harper-1]

Huh? It's a major world title and has been recognized by all 3 of the other sanctioning bodies since 2007. The IBHOF also recognizes it as a legitimate world title.

When I started watching boxing there was 3 champs in each …..that’s 2 too many ……there was zero reason to add a new belt besides money …..watering things down even more ……don’t know any real boxing fan that likes the alphabet belts

 

[r-harper-1]

Yeah they're impressive even though he wasn't beating guys as good as Louis was beating.

Louis loved beating up fat Italians and white folk lol

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

When I started watching boxing there was 3 champs in each …..that’s 2 too many ……there was zero reason to add a new belt besides money …..watering things down even more ……don’t know any real boxing fan that likes the alphabet belts

Most of us started watching in the three-belt era. Yeah, it's too many but we can't just go around acting like there's less than that. We've been in the four-belt era since 2007. The lineal concept is still around (TBRB, The Ring, CBZ) but only purists care about that. Most fans are casuals.