MMA's Welterweights: UFC vs "The Others"

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  1. SuperBadAzz

    SuperBadAzz Brown Belt

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    As we know, worldwide MMA is a frowned upon discussion in these parts, so I figured I'd correlate the talent of other organizations vs the UFC..

    If all other organizations joined together, they could make for a very solid top 10.. Lets compare.

    The UFC's top 10 WW's are (& I know it's debatable):

    Hendricks
    Lawler
    Lombard
    Woodley
    MacDonald
    Brown
    Condit
    Kim
    Ellenberger
    Saffeidine

    Compare that to the top 10 best of the rest:

    Askren
    Shields
    Lima
    Palhares
    Koreshkov
    Burkman
    Fitch
    Hawn
    Carl
    McDonough

    That's not a bad list.. Sure the UFC looks better on paper, but head to head I think you've got some tough challenges..

    So my question is.. What record (10-0, 0-10, 5-5, etc.) would the UFC go in this situation?:

    Askren vs Hendricks

    Shields vs Lawler

    Lima vs Lombard

    Palhares vs Woodley

    Koreshkov vs MacDonald

    Burkman vs Brown

    Fitch vs Condit

    Hawn vs Kim

    Carl vs Ellenberger

    McDonough vs Saffeidine

    Is 5-5 for "The Others" outside the realm of possibility? I'd say absolutely not..
     
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    palhares is a killer, He looked great at ww against a true tough out. He could sub anyone on any given day. Too bad he has mental issues
     
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    PRIDEWASBETTER United We Stand Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    9-1/8-2 UFC, imo
     
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    Agree.
    I think it is. But the WW outside of UFC is pretty solid for sure. Really puts into perspective how ridiculous the statements of "185-265" are the best divisions when there's barely any good fighters outside the UFC except Okami and Khalidov.
     
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    I believe Lima beats a lot of guys in the UFC top 10
     
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    UniqueSteez Be water my friend. Platinum Member

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    Askren Vs Lombard.
     
  10. londonzizou93

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    Fitch, palhares, askren and shields would all beat most half of the most of ufc welterweight division
     
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    I'd say 8-2 or 7-3 in that situation. I'd have Hendricks over Askren, but I'm not sure how many (if any) other guys on the UFC side I'd pick over Askren.

    Who says that? Seems to me like WW and LW have been overwhelmingly considered the best/deepest divisions for years. LHW gets some props, but MW and HW are overwhelmingly considered the weakest weight classes.
     
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    Steve08 American Fedor Belt

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    Off his back? nah
    I mean, I couldn't name any specific examples right now, but as I read the heavies and browse FB, etc. I've just seen some truly inane comments from people about how 185 or 205 are the most stacked, which basically all just boils down to people assuming that a weight class being top heavy means that it's brimming with legitimate title contenders when in fact the opposite is true.

    Just going by the media aggregate rankings on the UFC website, you have a guy like Feijao who will never sniff the title ranked #12, and you have a 43 year old right hand and a chin at #7 plus three middleweights in Sonnen, Belfort and Te-Huna also adding imaginary depth.

    It gets really funny when people claim that HWs are the best fighters, because they could beat every other weight class in a street fight :icon_lol:
     
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    welcometohavoc Yellow Card

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    I say 7-3 UFC
     
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    Arkridge Senior Moderator Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    I want to see Lima vs. Condit really badly.
     
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    Oh, OK. Fair enough.
     
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    Shields already beat like four of the ufc's top ten.
     
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    Anything is possible but more than likely the B team all get finished.

    The best of them are on the real downside of their careers (Shields, Fitch)and Askren would get fucked up by Hendricks quick-smart.
     
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    Sosua Yeah nah

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    A long ass time ago - as far as i'm aware, this isn't a prime vs prime debate.
     
  19. SuperBadAzz

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    Shields is no worse now than he was then.. Granted the guys he's beaten have improved. Shields was cut because he wasn't entertaining. His status as an elite fighter isnt in question. He still beats the bulk of UFC WWs. Honestly, Lombard & Hendricks are the only top 10 WWs I'd pick to beat him.
     
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    I don't mean to be a hater but I think its 10 to 0... i think it would be closer if you did it playoff style


    number 1 vs number 10 of the other bracket and so on so..


    1. Hendricks vs Mcdonogh - Hendricks wins with ease

    2. Lawler vs Carl - Lawler wins

    3. Lombard vs Hawn - Lombard

    4. Woodley vs Fitch- I think Woodley wins today but in primes I think Fitch could Sheilds Woodley

    5. Macdonald vs Burkman - easily donald.

    6. Brown vs Koreshkov- good fight... either it looks like brown vs silva or brown gets tkoed early... probably Brown

    7. Condit vs Palhartes - I know I will get hate here but i think Palhares wins.. if he doesn't lose his mind he takes down condit and dominates... people forget how good Palhares takedowns are.

    8. Kim vs Lima - Judo Kim wins berserker Kim might lose so idk... this is probably a pickem

    9. Ellenburger vs Sheilds- we already saw this fight.. i know excuses... um probably a pickem again.

    10. Asken vs Safeidine- Askren wins this the same he beat every other striker... Safeidine also lost to Woodley who lay and prayed him and is a much worse wrestler...

    so then its... 5-2-3? the 3 being who knows?
     

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