MMA fighters wearing a gi

SummerStriker said:
No one puts as much effort into an activity as martial artists do, without thinking that the way they are doing it is best.
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why do some of them wear elevation masks? or why was cain repping 100's on the leg extension?

I use to have your view, well if pro athletes do it who am I to question...turns out there's a lot of bro science, tradition and bad knowledge out there
 
And here I was hoping to see more pictures of MMA pros in the gi :(
 
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rmongler said:
that sword cuts both ways, it also leads to lazy habits and techniques when it comes to maintaining positional control.
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its like that with everything...both sides describe the other as a Caricature

sweaty men rolling around together, bro who walks around naked

pyjama fighting with some dude in a massive dressing grown, bro who walks around with that on
 
snakeybizz said:
why do some of them wear elevation masks? or why was cain repping 100's on the leg extension?

I use to have your view, well if pro athletes do it who am I to question...turns out there's a lot of bro science, tradition and bad knowledge out there
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I'm not suggesting this or that is best. I'm just saying that anyone putting in effort will think their effort is best.

I take everyone's opinion with a grain of salt when they are telling me how their way is the best.
 
SummerStriker said:
I'm not suggesting this or that is best. I'm just saying that anyone putting in effort will think their effort is best.

I take everyone's opinion with a grain of salt when they are telling me how their way is the best.
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ah I see what you mean, yeah I agree
 
snakeybizz said:
ah I see what you mean, yeah I agree
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I have reservations about the gi myself. I like grappling, stick fighting and kick boxing. Pragmatically, I don't know if I have time to screw around with a couple hundred extra techniques revolving around the handles I'm wearing. Outside of maybe my suit, and including my coat, I think my stuff would rip right off if I was in a fight and someone grabbed it.

I've never put my money where my mouth is on that though. One of these days I might try rolling in a hoodie and jeans and see if I can be submitted or held by them. The reason I haven't is because I think I know what will happen - my clothing will get torn up.
 
I've been rolling in the gi lately because I think it is fun and interesting, and any grappling makes you quicker and tougher, but not because I think it is the best preparation for self defense - tactically.
 
Well thanks guys, here's me thinking I had 4 pages of cool pictures to look at.
 
snakeybizz said:
on the other hand if your in the 3rd round sweating profusely and you have ended up in some guys back mount...the fact is you CAN violently spin out of the mount instead of trying a time eating technical escape that the judges won't even acknowledge (even though they should) instead you can BOOM explode spin out into his guard, tee off some Ground and pound and earn some points off the judges
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cms9690 said:
Yes, but the energy and sweat are not always going to be there. It's a gamble.

Your technique will always be there.
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No one has addressed this yet in the defense of no-gi.
 
cms9690 said:
No one has addressed this yet in the defense of no-gi.
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because the frame is wrong. people in these arguments tend to forget that theres more than one person in this equation. its easier to escape in nogi, what are the implications for that, for the guy working on offense?
 
cms9690 said:
No one has addressed this yet in the defense of no-gi.
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my argument would be that in no gi you have both the technical option and the explosive gotta get out asap scramble option

so for the first couple of rounds of a fight or during the first half of the training session you can be encouraged to use you technical escapes which should be reinforced by your coach as much as possible... then in the later rounds of a fight or towards the end of a training session you can attempt to scramble more often

so I guess what I'm trying to say is in no gi you have technical techniques and "scrambley" techniques...in gi you have less scrambling which means you don't practice the art of scrambling as often as you would if you trained strictly no gi...and as we all know scrambling is a massive part of no gi mma
 
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rmongler said:
because the frame is wrong. people in these arguments tend to forget that theres more than one person in this equation. its easier to escape in nogi, what are the implications for that, for the guy working on offense?
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exactly...it's easier to escape in no gi...so what does that mean for your no gi offence? it means you need to train more no gi so its sharp as hell and no one escapes you.
 
snakeybizz said:
exactly...it's easier to escape in no gi...so what does that mean for your no gi offence? it means you need to train more no gi so its sharp as hell and no one escapes you.
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I've had the exact opposite experience, with my guillotine and Darce in particular. Getting them to work properly against the friction of the gi has made it super easy to sink them no-gi, even with gloves on. I don't believe I would have developed the same sensitivity training only no-gi.
One more thing from personal experience- I have no issue jumping into a no-gi bracket having only been training gi. I don't feel my game comes through any worse.
I do agree with that no-gi and MMA tend to have more scrambles. I do not agree that those scrambles aren't technical. Maybe shitty fighters can escape with no more than sweat and explosiveness, but only against other shitty fighters. Gi or no-gi, training body control and transitions makes winning scrambles easier. I know the point you're making is that it's nice to have a spaz option available when you need it, but I still think that is not an option to rely on.
 
ijustwannasurf said:
Getting them to work properly against the friction of the gi has made it super easy to sink them no-gi, even with gloves on. I don't believe I would have developed the same sensitivity training only no-gi.
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See this is the issue I cannot get over to appreciate the gi for no-gi

lets take your example...I just cannot believe 2 hours of training the darce in the gi is superior to 2 hours of training the darce in no gi for mma

I don't see how the gi magically made you better...you say friction, but how can learning a skill when there is friction help when you have to perform that same skill in a situation where there is less friction...this is the whole concept of specificity, you practice in exactly the same conditions of your sport...so I would even go as far to say no gi is not enough, you need no rash guard and gloves equipped during training

I suppose that is were we fundamentally disagree
 
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