MMA 'angles' Vs BOXING 'angles'

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

That's all true. But to be fair loma is in another level to other high level boxers too.

Well of course. I was mainly referring to the basic applications of footwork and minute movements but yes it's a bit of an unfair comparison.

 

[Soul Rebel 2]

Well the problem with that is, it's more like....the angles that are effective in MMA and Boxing are different therefore angles are utilized differently for different reasons. I tried to explain why this is. If what you're asking is for me to find a punch landed in a position where a boxer has never before thrown one, well I really can't do that. But the angles are different which is a factor in how fighters move and punch regardless.

I hope this makes sense.

Seriously, I dont know where the belief that boxing is a single all encompassing system has come from. Boxers have built systems around their own attributes and often operate from similar ranges to MMA fighters and vise versa. Floyd, for instance, does most of his leading from outside of punching range and uses a similar leaping right hand as Fedor to initiate clinches from there. On the other hand guys like Aldo, Holloway, Joanna, Rumble, Barboza, Dos Anjos and Gastelum all are perfectly comfortable in the pocket. Boxers learn to punch people from EVERY possible position on the feet, the ones the choose to utilize the most are determined by their own attributes, not the art of boxing itself.

 

[Seagal's sensei]

Seriously, I dont know where the belief that boxing is a single all encompassing system has come from. Boxers have built systems around their own attributes and often operate from similar ranges to MMA fighters and vise versa. Floyd, for instance, does most of his leading from outside of punching range and uses a similar leaping right hand as Fedor to initiate clinches from there. On the other hand guys like Aldo, Holloway, Joanna, Rumble, Barboza, Dos Anjos and Gastelum all are perfectly comfortable in the pocket. Boxers learn to punch people from EVERY possible position on the feet, the ones the choose to utilize the most are determined by their own attributes, not the art of boxing itself.

You're right but at the same time the evolution in MMA undeniably puts a greater emphasis on angles and distance management because it's the only real way to attack and defend unharmed with 4 oz gloves whereas boxing allows you to use the boxing guard and counter. In less than ten years we've gone from Shogun and Wand to TJ and Cruz and in another ten it will blow boxing out of the water in that aspect simply because the rules encourages it. Like, it's easy to become complacent and flat footed no matter how much your trainer tries to discourage it, when the smartest route to not burning yourself out in a 12 round fight and land the better punches is to catch the punches on your gloves and land a counter of your own. When you on the other hand got kicks and 4 oz gloves coming at your face you will have to learn how to deal with it though because it is the only path to sustained success.

 

[Soul Rebel 2]

You're right but at the same time the evolution in MMA undeniably puts a greater emphasis on angles and distance management because it's the only real way to attack and defend unharmed with 4 oz gloves whereas boxing allows you to use the boxing guard and counter. In less than ten years we've gone from Shogun and Wand to TJ and Cruz and in another ten it will blow boxing out of the water in that aspect simply because the rules encourages it. Like, it's easy to become complacent and flat footed no matter how much your trainer tries to discourage it, when the smartest route to not burning yourself out in a 12 round fight and land the better punches is to catch the punches on your gloves and land a counter of your own. When you on the other hand got kicks and 4 oz gloves coming at your face you will have to learn how to deal with it though because it is the only path to sustained success.

Utilizing distance wont work if the fighter in question doesn't have the physical attributes to use them (reach, footspeed etc), how is John Lineker, for example, going to play an outside game? There is also far less emphasis placed on using gloves in older systems of boxing, the whole cover and move style is a modern phenomena that has arisen from shitty coaches and broken lineages.

 

[drom141]

Mm, Cruz, dillashaw, and garbrandt all come close...so...

Lol