Mirko Filipovic talks about P4P

[orca]

why would you even fight 20 people at the same time mirko

lmfao

 

[wwkirk]

No many really think P4P picks out the most formidable fighter.

A good way to think of it is as a premise for Fantasy Match-ups:

"What if prime DJ were 6 feet tall 225lbs, but with all his skills intact? I bet he could whup CroCop. Maybe even Fedor!"

 

[jeskola]

there was only ever one major league MMA org

 

[SuperNerd]

lmao Mirko tiggering little posters.

 

[rear naked ankle pick]

manlets blown the fuck out

 

[Trabaho]

Pound-for-pound refers to the consideration for skill set alone. It is like to say: if Islam were the same size as Tom Aspinall, he would beat Tom. Likewise with Islam, if he were the same size as Alex Perriera. It’s an exercise of hypothetically evaluating a skill set objectively.
It is simply to say: with the playing field leveled of the consideration for weight class, which athlete possesses the skill set which would be the most dominant.
In the case of the present, Islam is that figure. Even moving up 20 lbs in weight, his skills so greatly out-matched those of JDM that JDM never seemed to even stand a chance in the match. That is generally how fighters go about attempting to credential a P4P claim.

So pure hypothetical. He moved up 15. It's a theory. Practically Tom beats Islam.

 

[rear naked ankle pick]

who ever gets angry at what Mirko said is 100% short

 

[RichardHarrow]

P4P should only be something for fighters that actually proved they could fight above their weight. Roy Jones Jr could go all the way up to HW despite being a MW (160lbs). Or Hendo being able to fight in 3 divisions and slaying legends along the way. Weight bullies like Khabib that stay in 1 weight class can go fuck themselves when it comes to demanding P4P rankings. The only obvious exception being HW since they can't fight in more than 1 division and don't need to since they're already Sherdogger sized.

I don’t think you understand what pound for pounds means.

 

[RichardHarrow]

Yet CroCop demanded that if he didn’t ko Wand ( a far naturally smaller fighter ) in their first fight it’s declared a draw.

Never liked Crocop. Was always a diva.

 

[Trabaho]

Yet CroCop demanded that if he didn’t ko Wand ( a far naturally smaller fighter ) in their first fight it’s declared a draw.

Never liked Crocop. Was always a diva.

It was his 3rd mma fight and Wand was the reigning champ. He is like 1 inch taller. In their rematch Wand weighed more than Mirko. + you are short - reported for being under 6'4.

If anything Mirko is the smalles top HW of all times. 98-107 kg. He was small.

 

[Trabaho]

I don’t think you understand what pound for pounds means.

It's an opinion. Sometimes it's obvious often it's speculation. Like obviously Khabib is better than some unraked HWs. But comparing champs from different categories is vague. Can't be proven.

It's basically a way for lighter guys and their fans to tell the heavier guys they are better. They can't beat them in reality but hey. It gets people motivated and is good for business.

 

[Kenny Powerth]

GOAT HW kicker and fucking legend telling how it is

 

[HHJ]

why would you even fight 20 people at the same time mirko

lmfao

Sometimes these things happen


in Zagreb Croatia

 

[arcadeperfect]

I don’t think you understand what pound for pounds means.

Yeah I do, I think you're the one that's confused. If a fighter actually goes up in weight and wins, they should automatically be deemed superior on a pound for pound scale because they quite literally proved it. The fighter actually proved that their skills transcend weight classes. This is why someone like Manny Pacqiuao is heralded as a P4P GOAT, he went up 8 divisions and proved he could win with skills alone. In MMA someone like Hendo would be a P4P great because he was able to win over legends in 3 divisions despite being undersized in every single one including MW. Fighters that stay in 1 weight class (HW excluded) haven't proven anything P4P wise, it's merely hypothetical.

 

[DrunkMonkMeth]

I dunno why but seeing him name without "crocop" in the middle made me think it was someone else

 

[RichardHarrow]

Yeah I do, I think you're the one that's confused. If a fighter actually goes up in weight and wins, they should automatically be deemed superior on a pound for pound scale because they quite literally proved it. The fighter actually proved that their skills transcend weight classes. This is why someone like Manny Pacqiuao is heralded as a P4P GOAT, he went up 8 divisions and proved he could win with skills alone. In MMA someone like Hendo would be a P4P great because he was able to win over legends in 3 divisions despite being undersized in every single one including MW. Fighters that stay in 1 weight class (HW excluded) haven't proven anything P4P wise, it's merely hypothetical.

Source me any proof of your definition of p4p. I get your point that beating champs in other weight divisions renders you a “greater” fighter which consequently may increase you in ranking but it is not inherently the definition of p4p.

The widely accepted meaning of pound for pound will is a fighters ability / performance etc regardless of weight class. You’ll find that definition everywhere. No mention is made of having to perform in other weight classes.


Moving to another weight division means naught if the fighter is exclusively larger and has good but not great technique.

In the words of Usyk - I go sleep.

 

[Thawing Mammoth]

Imagine only having one, ultimate weightcllass and hence not getting to ever enjoy the craft of, say, the Mighty Mouses of the world, and the GSP's of the world, the Khabib's of the world.

Would be fun, right?

We all know, that Mighty Mouse would get beat the fuck up by some fat sloppy HW. Khabib would be fringe top-100 in an ultimate division.

We all know that.

We get the concept of weight divisions.

Right?

Valid points

But open weight is the answer

 

[Mr.Maelstrom]

Yeah I do, I think you're the one that's confused. If a fighter actually goes up in weight and wins, they should automatically be deemed superior on a pound for pound scale because they quite literally proved it. The fighter actually proved that their skills transcend weight classes. This is why someone like Manny Pacqiuao is heralded as a P4P GOAT, he went up 8 divisions and proved he could win with skills alone. In MMA someone like Hendo would be a P4P great because he was able to win over legends in 3 divisions despite being undersized in every single one including MW. Fighters that stay in 1 weight class (HW excluded) haven't proven anything P4P wise, it's merely hypothetical.

You're one of the better posters here, liked the lineal mma world champions threads you made as well.

Post more if possible

 

[Gamer2k4]

Pound-for-pound refers to the consideration for skill set alone. ... It is simply to say: with the playing field leveled of the consideration for weight class, which athlete possesses the skill set which would be the most dominant.

Yes.

It is like to say: if Islam were the same size as Tom Aspinall, he would beat Tom. Likewise with Islam, if he were the same size as Alex Perriera. It’s an exercise of hypothetically evaluating a skill set objectively.

No. Because the skills that make someone good at 170 are different from the skills that make someone good at 265 or 205. Pound for pound has nothing to do with how good you'd be if you were a different weight and everything to do with how good you are at your own weight. For example, I would consider Jon Jones better at 205 than Ronda Rousey was at 135. They were both dominant champions. Ronda's wins were even more impressive. But from the perspective of pure talent, as you said in my first quote, Jones is better P4P. It's not about Ronda weighing 205 or Jones weighing 135. It's about the skillset, plain and simple.

 

[arcadeperfect]

Source me any proof of your definition of p4p. I get your point that beating champs in other weight divisions renders you a “greater” fighter which consequently may increase you in ranking but it is not inherently the definition of p4p.

The widely accepted meaning of pound for pound will is a fighters ability / performance etc regardless of weight class. You’ll find that definition everywhere. No mention is made of having to perform in other weight classes.


Moving to another weight division means naught if the fighter is exclusively larger and has good but not great technique.

In the words of Usyk - I go sleep.

A fighter's ability regardless of weight class. You're proving my point. So, by that definition if a fighter went up in weight and won it proves that his/her ability was able to win regardless of the weight class. It's actual proof that their skills were enough to win even with a size disadvantage. If a fighter went up in weight and won, then it means that even if size was equalized they would win, most likely even easier since they no longer have any disadvantage. Manny Pacqiuao is heralded as a P4P great. Why? Because he went up 8 weight classes, proving that his skills could actually overcome weight classes. Roy Jones Jr could go all the way up to HW as a natural middleweight and still became a champion, another P4P great. Hell, sometimes people don't even have to win. Valentina is considered P4P GOAT material due to how incredible she performed against Nunes, someone that's far bigger. Another case of a fighter proving that their skills alone could transcend a weight class.

P4P is a skills based evaluation. What better to judge skill than having it overcome the greatest advantage in fighting; size.