Mirko Filipovic talks about P4P

[L0ki]

I'm just glad to hear CC again.

 

[RichardHarrow]

A fighter's ability regardless of weight class. You're proving my point. So, by that definition if a fighter went up in weight and won it proves that his/her ability was able to win regardless of the weight class. It's actual proof that their skills were enough to win even with a size disadvantage. If a fighter went up in weight and won, then it means that even if size was equalized they would win, most likely even easier since they no longer have any disadvantage. Manny Pacqiuao is heralded as a P4P great. Why? Because he went up 8 weight classes, proving that his skills could actually overcome weight classes. Roy Jones Jr could go all the way up to HW as a natural middleweight and still became a champion, another P4P great. Hell, sometimes people don't even have to win. Valentina is considered P4P GOAT material due to how incredible she performed against Nunes, someone that's far bigger. Another case of a fighter proving that their skills alone could transcend a weight class.

P4P is a skills based evaluation. What better to judge skill than having it overcome the greatest advantage in fighting; size.

Ok I’m with you - I don’t think our points are mutually exclusive.

 

[Bullitt68]

I've posted this video so many times on here. He was right when he said it and he's still right. It's not a knock on small guys, it's just a reality check. There's a reason Tyson fights feel different than Floyd fights, there's a reason Fedor fights feel different than Mighty Mouse fights. Right or wrong, plenty of people walk around thinking they could Rampage powerbomb a FW or BW champ, but nobody walks around thinking they could casually take Tito or Chuck or Wand or Shogun or Mirko or Fedor or JDS or Ngannou. One of my friends back in the day when the UFC started bringing in the lighter weight-classes made a joke about the Seinfeld where Kramer is in karate class with little kids.



Again, right or wrong, the big dogs are the big dogs for a reason. Granted, I'd rather watch top of the food chain LWs or FWs than schmo LHWs or HWs. But I'd rather watch a great LHW or HW fight than a great fight at any lower weight class.

 

[KO Shotz]

 

[HuskySamoan]

Well, that's literally the concept of P4P. Thank's to Mirko for pointing it out.

The concept is flawed. Size has diminishing returns, this idea that a flea would be the master of the universe if it weighed 10lbs is moronic. Beyond that, no p4p lists operate in that way, its just all who is the most accomplished, impressive and who they've beaten. Nobody is going "umm actually if Joshua Van was 6'5 255lbs with his exact skills, speed and conditioning hed destroy Tom Aspinall".

Its just kinda nonsense.

 

[Trabaho]

Yeah I do, I think you're the one that's confused. If a fighter actually goes up in weight and wins, they should automatically be deemed superior on a pound for pound scale because they quite literally proved it. The fighter actually proved that their skills transcend weight classes. This is why someone like Manny Pacqiuao is heralded as a P4P GOAT, he went up 8 divisions and proved he could win with skills alone. In MMA someone like Hendo would be a P4P great because he was able to win over legends in 3 divisions despite being undersized in every single one including MW. Fighters that stay in 1 weight class (HW excluded) haven't proven anything P4P wise, it's merely hypothetical.

He went from 135 to 165 and that's 8 divisions ?

 

[arcadeperfect]

He went from 135 to 165 and that's 8 divisions ?

Manny went from 112 to 154. In boxing that's 8 divisions.