Mirko Filipovic talks about P4P

I love Mirko. He is the reason I started watching MMA and I will be a fan of his forever.

That said, he does not always have the best opinions about everything, including MMA. If I am not mistaken, in this particular interview he also added, and I do not know if it was in this clip or cut out, that basically any untrained 100 kg bouncer could beat any MMA fighter under 70 kg (or 66 kg or whatever).

If he had said that about Shermanos, I would absolutely respect his opinion, but untrained bouncers?
 
Pound-for-pound refers to the consideration for skill set alone. It is like to say: if Islam were the same size as Tom Aspinall, he would beat Tom. Likewise with Islam, if he were the same size as Alex Perriera. It’s an exercise of hypothetically evaluating a skill set objectively.
It is simply to say: with the playing field leveled of the consideration for weight class, which athlete possesses the skill set which would be the most dominant.
In the case of the present, Islam is that figure. Even moving up 20 lbs in weight, his skills so greatly out-matched those of JDM that JDM never seemed to even stand a chance in the match. That is generally how fighters go about attempting to credential a P4P claim.
 
loisestrad said:
Well, that's literally the concept of P4P. Thank's to Mirko for pointing it out.
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Yes, it's a ridiculous, manipulative concept designed to induce mongs to buy tickets to watch midgets fight.

The problem is that this brainwashing has been very successful: dwarf Floyd Mayweather is the biggest PPV star of all time.

And thus it is important for sane people like Mirko to regularly point out how stupid it is, because 'P4P' nonsense discussion is everywhere.
 
Imagine only having one, ultimate weightcllass and hence not getting to ever enjoy the craft of, say, the Mighty Mouses of the world, and the GSP's of the world, the Khabib's of the world.

Would be fun, right?

We all know, that Mighty Mouse would get beat the fuck up by some fat sloppy HW. Khabib would be fringe top-100 in an ultimate division.

We all know that.

We get the concept of weight divisions.

Right?
 
pound for pound has always been dumb and nonsensical , but that’s kind of what makes it an attractive concept, much like goat talk

side note; I thought smaller guys had better cardio than big guys because their hearts were the same size, but after further review of the medical science it appears bigger guys have bigger hearts but not sure if it correlates exactly even if the premise is ruined
 
I don't mind p4p discussions but yes, people do need to be reminded occasionally that as bad as the HW division is, those dudes could hold a bantamweight by the neck with one hand, while drinking all his beer with the other.
 
THEfightsAREfixed said:
pound for pound has always been dumb and nonsensical , but that’s kind of what makes it an attractive concept, much like goat talk

side note; I thought smaller guys had better cardio than big guys because their hearts were the same size, but after further review of the medical science it appears bigger guys have bigger hearts but not sure if it correlates exactly even if the premise is ruined
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Everything is bound by the laws of physics, so a larger heart does not necessarily mean a better one. The largest people who have ever lived often suffered from heart problems, including heart attacks, because at a certain point, an excessively large heart cannot function as efficiently as a smaller one. In other words, there is a limit to human growth: if the body and its organs become too large, they may be unable to sustain normal physiological function.
 
balkanbomber85 said:
Everything is bound by the laws of physics, so a larger heart does not necessarily mean a better one. The largest people who have ever lived often suffered from heart problems, including heart attacks, because at a certain point, an excessively large heart cannot function as efficiently as a smaller one. In other words, there is a limit to human growth: if the body and its organs become too large, they may be unable to sustain normal physiological function.
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but at what point does the cardiac capability begin to limit peak physical performance, are we talking -15% from a 135lb fighter to a 175 lb fighter, or does it only start 200 lbs + , and is the heart even the limiting factor or just the biological system in general being larger and thus just slower and less efficient …
 
10000yearsold said:
Pound-for-pound refers to the consideration for skill set alone. It is like to say: if Islam were the same size as Tom Aspinall, he would beat Tom. Likewise with Islam, if he were the same size as Alex Perriera. It’s an exercise of hypothetically evaluating a skill set objectively.
It is simply to say: with the playing field leveled of the consideration for weight class, which athlete possesses the skill set which would be the most dominant.
In the case of the present, Islam is that figure. Even moving up 20 lbs in weight, his skills so greatly out-matched those of JDM that JDM never seemed to even stand a chance in the match. That is generally how fighters go about attempting to credential a P4P claim.
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Guys who actually move up in weight successfully should automatically have more claim to P4P than guys who stayed in 1 weight class. By doing so it actually proves that they can win despite the handicap of being naturally smaller.
 
THEfightsAREfixed said:
but at what point does the cardiac capability begin to limit peak physical performance, are we talking -15% from a 135lb fighter to a 175 lb fighter, or does it only start 200 lbs + , and is the heart even the limiting factor or just the biological system in general being larger and thus just slower and less efficient …
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He's probably referring to those huge behemoths that are bordering 300lbs. An optimal, perfectly sized HW wouldn't have such issues.
 
Dr Fong said:
Yes, it's a ridiculous, manipulative concept designed to induce mongs to buy tickets to watch midgets fight.

The problem is that this brainwashing has been very successful: dwarf Floyd Mayweather is the biggest PPV star of all time.

And thus it is important for sane people like Mirko to regularly point out how stupid it is, because 'P4P' nonsense discussion is everywhere.
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P4P should only be something for fighters that actually proved they could fight above their weight. Roy Jones Jr could go all the way up to HW despite being a MW (160lbs). Or Hendo being able to fight in 3 divisions and slaying legends along the way. Weight bullies like Khabib that stay in 1 weight class can go fuck themselves when it comes to demanding P4P rankings. The only obvious exception being HW since they can't fight in more than 1 division and don't need to since they're already Sherdogger sized.
 
it works well for divisions that are close in weight. its harder to compare pantoja to aspinall... because the fighting style at these weights are completely different.

155 and 170 will likely always be favored as the most 'stacked' divisions with the toughest road to the title. Because of the bell curve of human size.
 
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