Milo Yiannopoulos comes to Berkeley tommorow. 1.9k people pledging to prostest. Prepare your Angus!!

[Witchhunt]

Source for a professor calling for violent riots?

As US citizens we have the right to assemble for anything, this isn't Russia.

How about a source showing the real make-up of the rioters... This thread is based on conjecture.

 

[BruceLeeOnTRT]

So in that wall of text that I didn't read did you describe in which exact way masks assaulted people?

Man, watching the left turn into the Klan is some funny shit. Yeah dude, the masked guys shooting flares at cops and attacking bystanders based on their skin color are the true victims, lol. It's good that they have erudite minds such as yours to defend them.

 

[Rational Poster]

Instead of 40 or so violent protestors to deal with, cops have to deal with 1000 onlookers also.

That's more decisions to be made by cops in use of pepper spray and crowd control. Also more people emboldens the violent protestors. It's easier to hide while you shoot flares and fireworks at law enforcement.

So, you think people shouldn't protest because violent protesters might show up?

Are you American?

 

[Rational Poster]

How about a source showing the real make-up of the rioters... This thread is based on conjecture.

Per Berkeley, there were about 2000 student protesters and 150 masked agitators that showed up after the protest started.

 

[Jack V Savage]

1. No the facts do not, you pointed out an author who makes a counter claim to the clear and present post modern philosophers of the left who do in fact exist and were verified in this thread.

You're just arguing a different and irrelevant point. Postmodernism is very strongly contrary to liberal thought, and it doesn't actually fit well with Marxist thought, though Marxists appropriated it from the right when they wanted to make cultural critiques of capitalism. That's it. Everything else you've tried to read into it or argue with is beside the point.

Crime as a whole is irrelevant when if your cultural community is committing 5x (Or almost 10x) the violent crime rate of another community with the same levels of poverty. It's nothing more than a distraction to talk about general criminality, and an assertion on top of that as you did not show any of the evidence of your own cause/effect of why crime in general is going down.

This, I'm afraid, is a simple (and inexplicable) difference of opinion if you think that crime rate by demographic group is a more-important issue that crime rate. And I did not list a cause/effect of why crime is going down (seems to me that the best evidence is that rise and fall of environmental toxins explain the rise and fall of crime, as well as a lot of particulars of it--like why the rise and fall was more pronounced in urban areas--better than any other explanation, though it's probably more like half the story).

3. I don't believe I was "shouting down" anything, nor advocating that, and if you do not know the basics of cultural anthropology there is not much I can do to give updates on Hofstede or Hall.

I can agree that economic disparity would be and could be a factor in in certain cases, but when poverty is factored in, the massive effect of the cultural differences remains.

The effect of economic disparity on crime is not a topic that we've discussed at all. I discussed the effect of intergenerational wealth transfers on current wealth levels.

4. You did not prove that, you stated it, and I am interested in more of your evidence.

I was assuming that we were both aware, and you didn't ask for a source.

https://www.nap.edu/read/9719/chapter/11#226
http://www.demos.org/blog/9/25/14/whites-have-more-wealth-blacks-and-hispanics-similar-incomes

5. If that were true, it would be fair, as you summarily dismissed every argument of culture with your own assurances it is economic without any of the reference. As well you are making an "appeal to stone," ignoring my arguments as "common sense" (to you and a collection of unnamed, unknown, and unrelated "experts") to frame your own argument of authority, an authority you apparently know little about when it comes to culture differentiation, or, for that matter my expertise therein.

This is a bunch of gibberish. What I was responding to was this:

""Black communities have X amount more violent crime than the national..." shouted down by a mantra of "it's poverty, history, and oppression!" no, those factors may contribute to the problem ..." In fact, these are questions that are actually studied in a lot of depth. Since your assertion is that the issue isn't studied (that people who present the simple fact are "shouted down" with arguments), it is sufficient for me to point out that a lot of research is done on the issue to refute it. And you are clearly unaware of any of it, given your comments.

Let's revisit "4," you could take a poorer subgroup of Hispanic, white, or Mung Americans and analyze their rates of violent crime compared to the black community, and would still find the disparity for the higher levels.

You're arguing against a point I never made.

I get the feeling this will be my last post as well, no offense, but if you are just going to present a parade of assertions without arguing them, and then summarily dismiss my comparisons, arguments, and questions, it would be a waste of our time.

I think it is more fair to say that we've scraped the bottom of your knowledge on the topic and are resorting to a typical attack exit as a means of "saving face."

 

[ripskater]

So, you think people shouldn't protest because violent protesters might show up?

Are you American?

I'm simply saying the fact that professors are encouraging their students to attend, makes this a much more dangerous situation.

And I believe it emboldens and increases the violence from the thug leftists.

 

[Rational Poster]

I'm simply saying the fact that professors are encouraging their students to attend, makes this a much more dangerous situation.

And I believe it emboldens and increases the violence from the thug leftists.

College is a place for debate and protest. It should be encouraged.

 

[ripskater]

College is a place for debate and protest. It should be encouraged.

I would say show up at the debate and ask Milo to debate your point at Q and A.

That way you don't endanger the campus police, the people or the campus itself.

 

[Rational Poster]

I would say show up at the debate and ask Milo to debate your point at Q and A.

That way you don't endanger the campus police, the people or the campus itself.

A peaceful protest doesn't endanger anyone.

 

[ripskater]

A peaceful protest doesn't endanger anyone.

Except the left isn't having many peaceful protests lately.

 

[Witchhunt]

Per Berkeley, there were about 2000 student protesters and 150 masked agitators that showed up after the protest started.

Who at Berkeley? How do they know who the "masked protesters" are? How do they know they aren't masked students?
I have no idea who they are exactly, but neither does anyone else. They are probably paid agitators, but we really don't know. So let's stop acting like "According to Berkeley" are facts.

 

[Rational Poster]

Who at Berkeley? How do they know who the "masked protesters" are? How do they know they aren't masked students?
I have no idea who they are exactly, but neither does anyone else. They are probably paid agitators, but we really don't know. So let's stop acting like "According to Berkeley" are facts.

So the people responsible for the event and the security aren't a credible source for what happened on their property?

 

[Witchhunt]

yeah man I don't know why people on welfare with horrible jobs and careers choose to stay here in the bay. My dad is a doctor and my mom is a dentist, both their incomes isn't really enough to sustain a high end lifestyle here in the bay and they get taxed out the ass. My apartment is two bedroom and I pay 1800 a month, I have to work and study at the same time. Most of the protesters are disgruntled losers and you can tell most of them have no happiness in their lives. I don't think any of these riots would have been allowed in Palo Alto or Stanford.

Shit! are you White or Asian on top of that? If so, FUCK YOU! Check your privilege....

 

[BruceLeeOnTRT]

They're not students. They're paid agitators who wear masks, enter protests, and try to provoke a response from the police. They shoot flares at cops hoping that the cops will react with violence against peaceful protesters. If cops fall for it, the fake news media runs with the story about how cops are attacking free speech. Rinse and repeat. This will keep happening until you go after the people who hire them.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

College is a place for debate and protest. It should be encouraged.

Debate should be encouraged...

not rioting and mayhem because a guest speaker is attending whom you don't agree with.

 

[RockstarChris]

I'm Cal Berkeley alum. I know there has been debate on whether the rioters were students or not. (For the record im not a liberal, and I am a Trump fan, for his persuasion tactics). There is a large community of homeless "punk rock" teenagers and younge adults who hang out around the campus and telegraph ave. which leads to the school. I'm sure plenty of students were involved in the protests, but most of the chaos caused were by non-student punks and vandals

they said a small group of protesters were violent. 150. such a small group.

 

[Witchhunt]

So the people responsible for the event and the security aren't a credible source for what happened on their property?

Come on Rat P, you or TS haven't supported that claim with anything other than "Berkeley said" and even if you did it would have to be questionable. Tell me how they know who 150 masked rioters are?

 

[Rational Poster]

Come on Rat P, you or TS haven't supported that claim with anything other than "Berkeley said" and even if you did it would have to be questionable. Tell me how they know who 150 masked rioters are?

Tell me how you know they're lying about it?

 

[Rational Poster]

Debate should be encouraged...

not rioting and mayhem because a guest speaker is attending whom you don't agree with.

I don't believe anyone encouraged rioting or mayhem, at least not any of the professors on campus, as is being claimed.

 

[Witchhunt]

Tell me how you know they're lying about it?

You haven't shown me that they've even said it.