Military Press or Bench Press?

[KnightTemplar]

I'm sure people will go for a comp that allows any overhead lift, but I doubt that would be too many takers for an SOHP comp. Too many Oly lifters and push pressers.

Yeah, that was my thought as well. I was considering an Overhead Press Comp, where you can use any Lift, as long as you are standing and the Bar is locked out overhead.

SOHP

Push Press

Clean and Jerk(or Power version)

Snatch(or Power version)

 

[kahiljabroni]

Bench cause Its naturally my best lift...plus I could sub a lot of other lifts for the ohp

 

[jrams]

OHP. I have a bad shoulder that pops out all the time. Pressing has helped it tremendously.

I think under other scenarios I'd pick bench.

 

[Deleted member 382931]

No way Klokov got that physique putting weight overhead. Pretty sure he benches, curls and does cable crossovers in secret.

(Russian) weightlifters do bench and curl as part of their regimen as assistance. I looked for an article I read recently about the seminar series of Klokov, Illy, et al.

lya benches 120kg for a set of 4, wants to build it up to 150kg (set of 4), Dmitry doesn’t bench often anymore because he’s had a shoulder injury which reduced his overhead mobility, and more tightness in his chest wouldn’t help; but he did bench press more often and good weight as he was growing. I’ve seen Vasiliy bench press 200kg, but think he has done more.

(5) Bodybuilding! Klokov likes to do Deadlifts or Squats for a few sets of 5 then finish with a set of 10. While we weren’t give the exact translation, I’m pretty sure he said you have to “fuck with the muscle” to make it grow. He said this as he was pantomiming a curl. They all press and they’re not afraid to Bench Press. Even Ilya – whose training usually ends up being pretty Bulgarian come peaking time – includes some Bench Press and was doing Military Press for sets of 10 at the Seminar. And aside from Squat, Bench, and Deads they’ll also do single joint exercises such as curls and laterals. They’ll evaluate weak points based off were technique breaks down, what exercises are weak compared to others (example – Ilya’s Bench being weak so he’s working on that) and what looks small aesthetically (I was told that my traps were big enough but that my arms needed to be bigger – definitely not what I expected to hear at a weightlifting seminar).

Source:
ATG - Klokov, Illin, Polovnikov Seminar Comments

I recommend reading the total article, it's some great stuff.

 

[Eric Brown]

Military press. Overhead work is just plain cool.

 

[JauntyAngle]

(Russian) weightlifters do bench and curl as part of their regimen as assistance. I looked for an article I read recently about the seminar series of Klokov, Illy, et al.

Source:
ATG - Klokov, Illin, Polovnikov Seminar Comments

I recommend reading the total article, it's some great stuff.

This makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

 

[JauntyAngle]

I watch the video below quite regularly, and IMO this is as cool as a 500lb raw bench.

Of course there's one thing which is even cooler than a 500lb raw bench- a 500lb overhead press:



Well, I suppose he did use a tiny bit of leg drive...

 

[magick]

Of course there's one thing which is even cooler than a 500lb raw bench- a 500lb overhead press:



Well, I suppose he did use a tiny bit of leg drive...

Holy shit.

 

[Deleted member 382931]

Of course there's one thing which is even cooler than a 500lb raw bench- a 500lb overhead press:

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Well, I suppose he did use a tiny bit of leg drive...

You're right, but Z's log presses are brutal grinders with some swaying. Still legit and impressive, but a strict press with a (relative to the above) heavy weight is more aesthetically pleasing. Probably because I do clean and presses myself, I dunno.

Adding to my earlier statement: I believe 500lb raw bench is more common than a 300lb+ strict press, but I'm not sure. Doesn't really matter anyway.

 

[bowlie]

I remember Joel Jamieson saying that he only uses the Bench Press because the Press causes shoulder problems. I have certainly found that my shoulders do not like overhead pressing. That said, there have been times in the past where I could not bench. So I think it comes partly down to how people are built.

 

[JauntyAngle]

You're right, but Z's log presses are brutal grinders with some swaying. Still legit and impressive, but a strict press with a (relative to the above) heavy weight is more aesthetically pleasing. Probably because I do clean and presses myself, I dunno.

Adding to my earlier statement: I believe 500lb raw bench is more common than a 300lb+ strict press, but I'm not sure. Doesn't really matter anyway.

IIRC, when Savickas was doing 210ish they were still amazingly smooth. It's just over the last 18 months as he's been closing in on 500lbs they have been getting a bit ragged. But I think that is sort of the nature of the press- with the huge ROM and really unstable base you are going to wobble about when close to absolute max. I bet Klokov does the same if he puts am extra 10kg or so on that press.

Anyway, as I see it, Zdrunas can put up 70kg more than is shown in the Klokov video very smooth, kr 85kg with a grinder. Which is more impressive is a matter of taste. But presumably it is fair to say that he has the strongest overhead press of all time.

 

[Deleted member 382931]

IIRC, when Savickas was doing 210ish they were still amazingly smooth. It's just over the last 18 months as he's been closing in on 500lbs they have been getting a bit ragged. But I think that is sort of the nature of the press- with the huge ROM and really unstable base you are going to wobble about when close to absolute max. I bet Klokov does the same if he puts am extra 10kg or so on that press.

Anyway, as I see it, Zdrunas can put up 70kg more than is shown in the Klokov video very smooth, kr 85kg with a grinder. Which is more impressive is a matter of taste. But presumably it is fair to say that he has the strongest overhead press of all time.

Part of the wooble is the diameter of the log, which I think makes it akward to press and makes jerking it pretty impossible (just a thought, it seems to me that there are not many people jerking logs). I have to correct you though, I haven't said it is more impressive, just that I liked the other one more for some unfahtomable reason.

Yeah, I realize it is a moot argument to have, and that he who presses the most weight is the strongest is also clear.

PS: The recent popularity with the OHP might just be differentiation from bench bro's. A little bit of elitist thinking might be in there, too. Or possibly it's just the relative novelty or some nostalgic connotations.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Part of the wooble is the diameter of the log, which I think makes it akward to press and makes jerking it pretty impossible (just a thought, it seems to me that there are not many people jerking logs). I have to correct you though, I haven't said it is more impressive, just that I liked the other one more for some unfahtomable reason.

Yeah, I realize it is a moot argument to have, and that he who presses the most weight is the strongest is also clear.

PS: The recent popularity with the OHP might just be differentiation from bench bro's. A little bit of elitist thinking might be in there, too. Or possibly it's just the relative novelty or some nostalgic connotations.

"Maybe because it's still relatively new. We all like the new piece of ass better, right?"
- Wendler, talking about SOHP.

 

[Eric Brown]

"Maybe because it's still relatively new. We all like the new piece of ass better, right?"
- Wendler, talking about SOHP.

Odd, as the press pre-dates the bench by about 60 years or so.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Odd, as the press pre-dates the bench by about 60 years or so.

Yes, but Wendler only started doing Press to help his Bench. Until then he was using Westside-style training with no Overhead Pressing.

 

[Deleted member 382931]

Odd, as the press pre-dates the bench by about 60 years or so.

I'm aware that's true, but how many people are benching and pressing respectively nowadays and how did those numbers look 10/20/30 years ago? In terms of popularity, the press is pretty 'new' to most lifters and lifting programms outside of weightlifting.

 

[JauntyAngle]

Part of the wooble is the diameter of the log, which I think makes it akward to press and makes jerking it pretty impossible (just a thought, it seems to me that there are not many people jerking logs). I have to correct you though, I haven't said it is more impressive, just that I liked the other one more for some unfahtomable reason.

Fair enough.

BTW, here's Zdrunas doing 210kg, pretty smooth, no grind, only a tiny bit of unstability: