Mike Perry's decline

He has never had a good fight iq. Hits pretty hard and has a good chin and is athletic, but outside of that never possessed anything that told me he would be a champion one day. I think he should have went to ATT when he was younger and stayed there. Him jumping from camp to camp and then using girlfriends as his coaches never helped him get better. I don’t think he took his career too seriously and if would have like I mentioned as far as going to a major gym and staying there and developing over time o think would have did him well. He IMO is the epitome of let’s stand and bang. Entertaining for the fans, but doesn’t help you championship prospects much. His grappling got better after training with jacare. Then he left that camp and it was noticeable in later fights his grappling declined. I just think he went about training and managing his career the wrong way. Now his skills have declined and he can’t seem to bully his way over guys like he used to.
 
austinblair said:
Mike Perry never was very talented. He got a few decent wins but overall…. He’s not very good
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he prefers to fight in the street, the guy looks more like a brawler than a professional fighter.
 
Yagadot said:
He was working at a good camp and then went his own way to save money. Looked awful since.
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But who was he working with before? He only was at Jackson's for the Felder fight. And I remember he trained at a shit ufc gym. Amazing he always lived in Florida, and only trained with jacare for some ground work, but never made it to one of the big camps
 
he looked like a beast when he fought that giant Korean dude too, he had some great counters and head movement.
 
ShreddinMMA said:
Head movement is extremely reflexed based and it takes constant practice at fine tuning it, even with reflexes. Great reflexes can still get fucked by an opponent with feints, good timing, etc.

There is no way Perry is going to be able to keep finesse skills like that up to speed training by himself.
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A lot of reflex work is done with solo training. Lots of boxers train it by themselves.
 
To me the focus on his relationship is what affected his training and fighting. Made obvious by him just having his gf as his corner/trainer/coach/etc.
 
FIghtxIQ said:
A lot of reflex work is done with solo training. Lots of boxers train it by themselves.
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Definitely. You can train the reflex part a lot by your own (double end bag, slip rope, etc). It's executing it against a live opponent where having a good coach matters.

I'd say pro boxers probably have a better understanding of why they need to work on it than Perry does for the reflex portion as well.
 
ShreddinMMA said:
I'm not sure what your point is. I didn't imply you couldn't.
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It's not inherently reflexed based, which is what you said. You can proactively move your head and give different angles for your opponent to swing at. It's simple, really.
 
I will go against most people here and say that I actually think Perry was pretty talented. He had great power, chin and was physically strong.

But having a mexican midget holding pads for you as a training camp is not the way to go.
 
Boss HM-2 said:
It's not inherently reflexed based, which is what you said. You can proactively move your head and give different angles for your opponent to swing at. It's simple, really.
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What happens if your opponent starts recognizing your proactive habits? Lots of fighters can assume a duck under is coming after an opponent steps in with a combo. A fighter needs to adjust, even if he's focused on proactively moving his head. "Proactive" head movement is a concept you'll learn in a couple months at any boxing gym. It doesn't make it simple or easy to execute in a fight, especially against professional caliber fighters.

That's where a coach who knows what he's doing helps massively. Not only does that coach know how to train for situations like that ahead of the fight, they can comment on adjustment that need to be made during the fight. Penn vs Edgar #1 is a GREAT example of that.
 
ShreddinMMA said:
What happens if your opponent starts recognizing your proactive habits? Lots of fighters can assume a duck under is coming after an opponent steps in with a combo. A fighter needs to adjust, even if he's focused on proactively moving his head. "Proactive" head movement is a concept you'll learn in a couple months at any boxing gym. It doesn't make it simple or easy to execute in a fight, especially against professional caliber fighters.

That's where a coach who knows what he's doing helps massively. Not only does that coach know how to train for situations like that ahead of the fight, they can comment on adjustment that need to be made during the fight. Penn vs Edgar #1 is a GREAT example of that.
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You change it up, or do the smart thing and let your feet do most of the work.

>professional caliber fighters

These are MMA bums throwing hands, these guys aren't exactly stellar boxers.
 
Boss HM-2 said:
You change it up, or do the smart thing and let your feet do most of the work.
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This thread is about head movement, first off. Secondly, it's not like Mike has shown he can rely on his footwork either. That's a separate skill all together.

Changing it up isn't exactly obvious either. You're talking about proactive head movement. That's a trained motion, not a reactive one (to your point). If you're not training it regularly (Perry clearly isn't), it's not going to just happen.
 
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