Crime Migrant crime in Australia?

[F1980]

how common is crime from migrants in Australia?

Looks to me like they're doing the same crimes over there that they are doing over here and other Western countries, especially migrants from African and Middle Eastern countries

Brazen crime that looks liek they don't even care if they're caught on camera and arrested

Do they not deport migrant criminals in Australia?

 

[Telford90]

Sudanese gangs are a massive issue in Adelaide's north, there's a task force specifically to deal with it.

Biggest issue is people are doing crimes and not getting any significant punishment for it. There's also underlying social issues that aren't getting dealt with which doesn't help.

People seem to hate on Indians at the moment, but they don't commit crime.

 

[maximus__]

how common is crime from migrants in Australia?

Looks to me like they're doing the same crimes over there that they are doing over here and other Western countries, especially migrants from African and Middle Eastern countries

Brazen crime that looks liek they don't even care if they're caught on camera and arrested

Do they not deport migrant criminals in Australia?

Most are second generation kids that have grown up predominantly in Australia.
They have become older now and realise they will get a free pass whilst they are young.

They would be killed back home for what they do or atleast severely beaten, but you can't do that in Australia.
Similar with the kids taken from the parents and looked after by the state. No consequences to their actions.

People have started to take it into their own hands with the Police hamstrung by the courts not actually punish people for repeated offending.

 

[Flower2dPeople]

Sending them all back if one of the relative commits a crime is a nice way to police themselves.

 

[Cid]

Our murder rate is 1/8th yours.

Stick to your lane loser.

 

[Telford90]

Most are second generation kids that have grown up predominantly in Australia.
They have become older now and realise they will get a free pass whilst they are young.

They would be killed back home for what they do or atleast severely beaten, but you can't do that in Australia.
Similar with the kids taken from the parents and looked after by the state. No consequences to their actions.

People have started to take it into their own hands with the Police hamstrung by the courts not actually punish people for repeated offending.

I'd be cautious being harsh on kids who are in government care. I'm not excusing what they do (they often go down a path of crime etc), but their upbringing is pretty cooked.

Imagine never being told by anyone that they love you. Imagine never being tucked in at night by a parent, never been hugged with genuine affection etc. It's a pretty horrific environment.

 

[Ruprecht]

Depends on the migrant community.
Skilled migrants typically have much lower crime rates than the general population.
Refugees vary substantially. It took the Vietnamese 40 years to reach socioeconomic par (crime, education, income etc) and equivalent distribution with the general population, whereas the Iranian refugees (largely Bahai or other religious minorities fleeing the Islamic revolution) always outperformed it.
The Lebanese community specifically cops a lot of hate, but there's also substantial variation between say the middle class urban refugees and the rural poor. As well as the different religious and ethnic minorities (majority of Lebanese refugees to Australia were Christian, with Maronites the largest denomination).
Every single wave of migration has faced similar prejudice/hate from the previous waves though. When I was a kid it was the Greeks and Italians. When I was a teen it was the Vietnamese and Cambodians. ...and on it goes.

 

[maximus__]

I'd be cautious being harsh on kids who are in government care. I'm not excusing what they do (they often go down a path of crime etc), but their upbringing is pretty cooked.

Imagine never being told by anyone that they love you. Imagine never being tucked in at night by a parent, never been hugged with genuine affection etc. It's a pretty horrific environment.

If you don't get them out of it before they turn 18, they just get abandoned once they are no longer in the system.

The good ones become victims of the bad ones and eventually end up similar or fully f'd up. Lot's of sexual abuse type stuff going on by the kids because they were victims at home.

Don't get me wrong I understand they had bad upbringings. But breaking into someones home, stealing their car and potentially killing people is inexcusable no matter the background. You are making the choice to take away someone elses right to feel safe. I am all for a little street justice in that case.

 

[Barteh]

Depends on the migrant community.
Skilled migrants typically have much lower crime rates than the general population.
Refugees vary substantially. It took the Vietnamese 40 years to reach socioeconomic par (crime, education, income etc) and distribution of the general population, whereas the Iranian refugees (largely Bahai or other religious minorities fleeing the Islamic revolution) always outperformed it.
The Lebanese community specifically cops a lot of hate, but there's also substantial variation between say the middle class urban refugees and the rural poor. As well as the different religious and ethnic minorities (majority of Lebanese refugees to Australia were Christian, with Maronites the largest denomination).
Every single wave of migration has faced similar prejudice/hate from the previous waves though. When I was a kid it was the Greeks and Italians. When I was a teen it was the Vietnamese and Cambodians. ...and on it goes.

Yep and then there's the specific community of mostly muslim men from middle eastern and African countries who never assimilate and who have been a problem group for decades around the entire civilized western world.

 

[Ruprecht]

Yep and then there's the specific community of mostly muslim men from middle eastern and African countries who never assimilate and who have been a problem group for decades around the entire civilized western world.

The majority of Sudanese in Australia are Catholic (78% in Victoria) and that hasn't made integration any easier for them. Afghans (mostly Muslim) are another recent refugee wave, and they are struggling to a lesser degree.
Other than Lebanese (the largest Muslim group, although there's more Lebanese Christians) the biggest Muslim groups here are Indonesians, Malaysians and Singaporeans (although most are students, skilled migrants or only on temporary visas) and they aren't a criminal problem at all.
It's worse now that Australia is no longer the relatively flat socioeconomic landscape it was in the '80s, and the "Australian Dream" is no longer in reach for much of the youth, let alone refugee children. Much more likely to have intergenerational poverty and effective ghettoisation in social housing.
Completely different to issues in Europe (guest workers, banlieues, the Syrian war etc) or the US (illegal immigrants).

 

[Telford90]

If you don't get them out of it before they turn 18, they just get abandoned once they are no longer in the system.

The good ones become victims of the bad ones and eventually end up similar or fully f'd up. Lot's of sexual abuse type stuff going on by the kids because they were victims at home.

Don't get me wrong I understand they had bad upbringings. But breaking into someones home, stealing their car and potentially killing people is inexcusable no matter the background. You are making the choice to take away someone elses right to feel safe. I am all for a little street justice in that case.

I don't disagree with what you said. Just wanted to share some perspective.

I don't feel anger towards them, just immense sorrow.

 

[maximus__]

I don't disagree with what you said. Just wanted to share some perspective.

I don't feel anger towards them, just immense sorrow.

Sorry I mean they are making that choice. As in the kids are using the excuse of a poor life to justify impacting other peoples lives in a negative way. I have worked in that type of area, don't get me wrong I have sympathy.

Nothing beats a good old fashioned arse whooping, by that I mean a good hard sparring session where they are shown, they aren't the big dog when they aren't bullying others. The public system teaches them that they have no consequences to their actions.

 

[Misanthropist]

how common is crime from migrant in Australia? Looks to me like they're doing the same crimes over there that they are doing over here and other Western countries, especially migrants from African and Middle Eastern countries

We don't have open borders like Europe so it's just the second generation South Sudanese teenagers. The Lebanese was a thing of the late 90s and early 2000s and those second generation moved on from the gang lifestyle to work in trades. The third generation (now teenagers) seems to be well off so based on how others settled in, it seems it takes 3 generation to improve.

This is a common occurrence here when our media have nothing to cover about certain ethnic group, they would move on to the next refugee that comes in.

 

[Misanthropist]

Every single wave of migration has faced similar prejudice/hate from the previous waves though. When I was a kid it was the Greeks and Italians. When I was a teen it was the Vietnamese and Cambodians. ...and on it goes.

I think times have changed. They're going to struggle more because of the cost of living and the absurd requirement needed (years of exp) to work in low skill jobs.

 

[Ruprecht]

I think times have changed. They're going to struggle more because of the cost of living and the absurd requirement needed (years of exp) to work in low skill jobs.

Yeah, I said that in a later post.
It took the Vietnamese 40 years, and there's a hell of a lot more social/wealth polarisation now than in the '70s/'80s and less socioeconomic mobility.
Going to be hard enough for any of the next couple of generations of youth to get out of shared or social housing, let alone refugees.
Sad to say, but we waved a last goodbye to egalitarian Australia when both major parties embraced neoliberalism in the '90s.

 

[plataoplombo]

The majority of Sudanese in Australia are Catholic (78% in Victoria) and that hasn't made integration any easier for them. Afghans (mostly Muslim) are another recent refugee wave, and they are struggling to a lesser degree.
Other than Lebanese (the largest Muslim group, although there's more Lebanese Christians) the biggest Muslim groups here are Indonesians, Malaysians and Singaporeans (although most are students, skilled migrants or only on temporary visas) and they aren't a criminal problem at all.
It's worse now that Australia is no longer the relatively flat socioeconomic landscape it was in the '80s, and the "Australian Dream" is no longer in reach for much of the youth, let alone refugee children. Much more likely to have intergenerational poverty and effective ghettoisation in social housing.
Completely different to issues in Europe (guest workers, banlieues, the Syrian war etc) or the US (illegal immigrants).

Never heard the term Australian dream before. I'm guessing it's similar to the US's where it's the house with the white picket fence and 2 kids.

 

[Milgrim]

Better build a wall, Australia.

 

[Ruprecht]

Never heard the term Australian dream before. I'm guessing it's similar to the US's where it's the house with the white picket fence and 2 kids.

Yeah, owning your own home on a 1000m2 block, with the car and suburban white goods to match.
The house was the cornerstone of financial success, since we've never had a housing market crash.
Same reason Australia has such a large percentage of "mum and dad" property investors compared to international markets, and generally hates high density housing.
It was an idea supported by policy as well, with implementations such as "negative gearing" (losing money paying off the mortgage on an investment property is a tax write off).
All of which, plus mass migration, overseas investment, inflation/wage stagnation and diminished proportional investment in public housing (halved as a percentage of tenures in the last 30 years), has contributed to our current housing affordability crisis.

 

[scoopj]

Never heard the term Australian dream before. I'm guessing it's similar to the US's where it's the house with the white picket fence and 2 kids.

And a kangaroo instead of a dog

 

[Kingz]

Of course, it’s problem throughout the English speaking world now.

I always hear they have a tough immigration system but not from the stories I’ve read.

And on a commentary level Australian and New Zealand politicians are among the most cucked I’ve ever heard. Almost like UK…almost