Mid-air Collusion (Mueller Thread v. 19)

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Limbo Pete said:
Not if the GOP controls the Senate
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Strychnine said:
I don't know Fawlty... I think that a lot of people in Congress wouldn't go for impeachment even if they saw him curb stomp a baby..

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They fall for this ^ and think of him like he's dang near Holy.
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I get that for sure. I think that's a possibility, that he could have committed two major crimes and it would be waved off. I just don't think we're quite that far gone yet. If that happens, that's the end of American democracy, doneski. The people would be fully justified in dragging everybody into the streets and relieving them of their booties, if we had even a little patriotism left in us.
 
Fawlty said:
I get that for sure. I think that's a possibility, that he could have committed two major crimes and it would be waved off. I just don't think we're quite that far gone yet. If that happens, that's the end of American democracy, doneski. The people would be fully justified in dragging everybody into the streets and relieving them of their booties, if we had even a little patriotism left in us.
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The GOP base would never hold them accountable imo. The reason being... they don't have to. Really, I expect it's the opposite. Impeaching him would be the end of their careers, I think.
 
We need more tweets and bias news headlines this proves Trump is guilty and this will be IT!
 
""So if I say something and he (Comey) says something, and it's my word against his, and he's best friends with Mueller, so Mueller might say: 'Well, I believe Comey,' and even if I'm telling the truth, that makes me a liar. That's no good," President Trump said."

WTF? He's trying to convince us that Mueller can just pick who he wants to believe, without any evidence of who is telling the truth? Because he's "friends" with Comey or whomever else disagrees with Trump's testimony? He's cracking up, honestly. He must have an awful lot to hide, if he's this shook up about testifying. What happened to "I'd be happy to talk to Mueller"? Now he fears him so much he's talking like it's over for him if he testifies.

Trump could not possibly act more like he's guilty as fuck of something major. Nobody would claim they can't avoid perjuring themselves, if they were ready to be truthful. It makes no sense. Tell the truth, and you won't perjure yourself. It's simple, Donald, try it!
 
Lol homie is already preparing his defense for when he's caught in a pickle... every interview is a perjury trap.. if you are a liar

Trump worries that Mueller interview could be a 'perjury trap'
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...terview-could-be-a-perjury-trap-idUSKCN1L526P
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump said on Monday he was worried that any statements under oath he provides to Special Counsel Robert Mueller could be used to bring perjury charges against him as part of the probe into Russia’s electoral interference.

In an interview with Reuters, Trump echoed the concerns of his top lawyer in the probe, Rudy Giuliani, who has warned that any sit-down with Mueller could be a “perjury trap.”

The president expressed fears that investigators could compare his statements with that of others who have testified in the probe, such as former FBI Director James Comey, and that any discrepancies could be used against him.
 
Ophydian said:
no prosecutor will charge the President with perjury on a he said she said condition.
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That's speculation. It's irrational for anyone in Trump's position to speak to Mueller's team with no preconditions.
 
waiguoren said:
That's speculation. It's irrational for anyone in Trump's position to speak to Mueller's team with no preconditions.
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All he has to do is not lie and there is no perjury. Care to guess what he wants to lie about?
 
waiguoren said:
That's speculation. It's irrational for anyone in Trump's position to speak to Mueller's team with no preconditions.
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I don't believe that Mueller would, or even could, choose whose testimony to believe in the complete absence of evidence one way or the other. Trump seems worried that he can't keep himself from lying, which has always been his problem. If he tells the truth, how could he possibly perjure himself? Perjury is deliberate lying. How would it be possible for him to perjure himself if he tells the truth? If he doesn't want to answer an incriminating question, and doesn't want to plead the 5th, he can say he doesn't recall. That's how it's always been done.

I really don't understand how Trump can convince people that it's impossible for him to avoid perjury. Who has ever said that, and why did they say it? Legit question.
 
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ocean size said:
Lol homie is already preparing his defense for when he's caught in a pickle... every interview is a perjury trap.. if you are a liar

Trump worries that Mueller interview could be a 'perjury trap'
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...terview-could-be-a-perjury-trap-idUSKCN1L526P
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump said on Monday he was worried that any statements under oath he provides to Special Counsel Robert Mueller could be used to bring perjury charges against him as part of the probe into Russia’s electoral interference.

In an interview with Reuters, Trump echoed the concerns of his top lawyer in the probe, Rudy Giuliani, who has warned that any sit-down with Mueller could be a “perjury trap.”

The president expressed fears that investigators could compare his statements with that of others who have testified in the probe, such as former FBI Director James Comey, and that any discrepancies could be used against him.
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7437 said:
All he has to do is not lie and there is no perjury. Care to guess what he wants to lie about?
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computer fogie said:
I don't believe that Mueller would, or even could, choose whose testimony to believe in the complete absence of evidence one way or the other. Trump seems worried that he can't keep himself from lying, which has always been his problem. If he tells the truth, how could he possibly perjure himself? Perjury is deliberate lying. How would it be possible for him to perjure himself if he tells the truth? If he doesn't want to answer an incriminating question, and doesn't want to plead the 5th, he can say he doesn't recall. That's how it's always been done.

I really don't understand how Trump can convince people that it's impossible for him to avoid perjury. Who has ever said that, and why did they say it? Legit question.
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Imagine yourself as a defense lawyer. Your client is party to a criminal investigation. Your client has made a statement under oath that contradicts the sworn statement of another person on matters deemed material to the case. You and your client both are 100% certain that your client told the truth and the other person lied. Nevertheless, the prosecutor on the case indicts your client for perjury, believing he can secure a conviction. Even if the prosecutor fails to secure a conviction, the legal process does significant damage to your client's reputation, finances, work productivity, and physical health. Worse there is a non-trivial chance the prosecutor could secure a conviction on a crime for which your client is innocent---especially if some jury members have animus toward your client.
 
Strychnine said:
I don't know Fawlty... I think that a lot of people in Congress wouldn't go for impeachment even if they saw him curb stomp a baby..

th


They fall for this ^ and think of him like he's dang near Holy.
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Make sure you get out and vote.
 
Limbo Pete said:
The GOP base would never hold them accountable imo. The reason being... they don't have to. Really, I expect it's the opposite. Impeaching him would be the end of their careers, I think.
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Make sure you listen to the end.
 
If I did a job for 15 months without figuring anything out, I’d fire myself
 
waiguoren said:
...You and your client both are 100% certain that your client told the truth and the other person lied. Nevertheless, the prosecutor on the case indicts your client for perjury, believing he can secure a conviction...
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This is where I have to ask, wouldn't the prosecutor have to supply a reason for choosing who to believe, rather than flip a rhetorical coin? A jury needs to hear evidence, not just "I have nothing more than a hunch that the defendant is lying, so I'm charging him with perjury", don't they? I don't know criminal law, but that doesn't make sense to me. If I were on the jury I'd never accept anything with no evidence to support it. Mueller would need to provide something to them, to use to make their decision. A judge would have to throw out such a BS case presented by a prosecutor, wouldn't they?

@Darkballs would know, he's an experienced prosecutor.
 
computer fogie said:
This is where I have to ask, wouldn't the prosecutor have to supply a reason for choosing who to believe, rather than flip a rhetorical coin? A jury needs to hear evidence, not just "I have nothing more than a hunch that the defendant is lying, so I'm charging him with perjury", don't they? I don't know criminal law, but that doesn't make sense to me. If I were on the jury I'd never accept anything with no evidence to support it. Mueller would need to provide something to them, to use to make their decision. A judge would have to throw out such a BS case presented by a prosecutor, wouldn't they?

@Darkballs would know, he's an experienced prosecutor.
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It takes proof not speculation
 
DIDM said:
He’s been doing it for that long

So, what’s your point?
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You said "if I did a job for 15 months without figuring anything out" it should be "when I do a job".
 
waiguoren said:
That's speculation. It's irrational for anyone in Trump's position to speak to Mueller's team with no preconditions.
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His position is The POTUS. That's the only reason he's getting away with this. Because of technicalities. He can't be charged with a conflict of interest, or be subpoenaed, etc. If he had any other job the rules would pertain to him like any other citizen.
 
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