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[Rob Battisti]

Still disagree but we're cool bud

Obviously there is nuance there but yeah I think this is a little off topic.

 

[Cajun]

What is the point of posts like that? If you think what I’m saying isn’t true, then make your case.
If you can’t make a case, why waste my time?

That pic actually looks like me atm. Theres a lot to unpack with your statements but yeah... not true imo

 

[BFoe]

That pic actually looks like me atm. Theres a lot to unpack with your statements but yeah... not true imo

Ok, well the academic consensus of biblical scholars is that they are true. These aren’t fringe opinions I’m presenting, they are the current scholarly consensus. I posted videos from two scholars of the NT supporting that position.

I have longer videos I’m happy to post from those scholars as well, although I think I’d post them in the Lounge as I really don’t mean or want to derail this thread with theology issues.

 

[Croaker]

If god exists and designed both us and everything we encounter then their would be no free will for us to choose good or bad and thus those traits wouldn’t really exist and you’d still be missing your “point of living”.

Asking what the point of living is makes as much sense as asking what color hope is. You’re attributing traits where they don’t exists.

Again, morons like you could just read.

There are plenty of philosophical and religious texts covering this.

 

[shockaholic12]

Again, morons like you could just read.

There are plenty of philosophical and religious texts covering this.

which philosopher and which work of theirs do you think sufficiently covers this? Reading and listening to philosophy lectures is an almost daily hobby so I’m excited for you to enlighten me.

Why didn’t you explain their arguments here if you’ve read them instead of just spazzing?

 

[Cajun]

Ok, well the academic consensus of biblical scholars is that they are true. These aren’t fringe opinions I’m presenting, they are the current scholarly consensus. I posted videos from two scholars of the NT supporting that position.

I have longer videos I’m happy to post from those scholars as well, although I think I’d post them in the Lounge as I really don’t mean or want to derail this thread with theology issues.

Sure. Post them in the lounge. I don't want to derail either. I and the father are one... if you've seen me you have seen the father.. I am.... over and over points to the diety of Christ.

 

[Croaker]

which philosopher and which work of theirs do you think sufficiently covers this? Reading and listening to philosophy lectures is an almost daily hobby so I’m excited for you to enlighten me.

Think by Simon Blackburn is probably a good start. After that I'd look into concepts like The Allegory of the Cave. Going through the works of Socreates, Plato, and IMO the most important Aristotle is vital. Then going through the work of the Stoics is a must for application in daily life. Studying these thoroughly takes a shitload of time. Not listening to youtube or just reading.

I'd probably start with the basics like Aristotle's Physics and Metaphysics. I'd also start with the Bible for answers to the specific positions you pose.

 

[shockaholic12]

Think by Simon Blackburn is probably a good start. After that I'd look into concepts like The Allegory of the Cave. Going through the works of Socreates, Plato, and IMO the most important Aristotle is vital. Then going through the work of the Stoics is a must for application in daily life. Studying these thoroughly takes a shitload of time. Not listening to youtube or just reading.

I'd probably start with the basics like Aristotle's Physics and Metaphysics. I'd also start with the Bible for answers to the specific positions you pose.

I’ve read most of these. You don’t seem to be able to pull an argument for free will from any of them. What are you some kind of moron? Spit it out.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

I was raised a protestant christian (Presbyterian), my father is a Pastor. I've studied a lot back in my day, too much that I've became skeptical and don't care much about religion.. to each their own.

It's funny that even though Presbyterians are protestants with certain rules, there was a lot of regionalism in the churches. In some city they would look more like Pentecostal evangelicals, in other as a very traditional sole scriptura protestants. Point being that as someone said here leadership influences a lot.

On our church we would consider Catholics (the cult to idols/saints), Mormons (extra books), Jehovah's Witnesses (watch tower literature) and even 7th day Adventists (the cult to sabbath) hereticals and not "true Christians", to commune they would have to be baptized again. But like I said, regionalism would would influence a lot. In some Presbyterian churches the Holy Communion would have wine, in others it would be juice and they would consider someone who drinks wine to be in sin (it's stupid, I know).

There are some fundamentalist evangelicals here in brazil that mix religion with crime and get very aggressive towards other religions, like invading/burning their place of worship (of african religions) or breaking/burning catholic statues of saints/mary.

The irish killing themselves up to 30 years ago, I don't know how much was religion or if it was only politics.

Evangelicals in Brazil are fascinating.

A massive, Catholic country that has such a huge evangelical minority is very rare. And the evangelicals are VERY evangelical, it seems. Every other Brazilian soccer player or MMA fighter can't STFU about Jesus and god.

 

[Croaker]

I’ve read most of these. You don’t seem to be able to pull an argument for free will from any of them. What are you some kind of moron? Spit it out.

If you read most of these, specifically Aristotles Physics book 8 and Metaphysics book 12 you would have something to work off of, you fucking moron.

 

[shockaholic12]

If you read most of these, specifically Aristotles Physics book 8 and Metaphysics book 12 you would have something to work off of, you fucking moron.

If you’ve read these you’d be able to articulate something that remotely resembles specific arguments they made on the topic but instead you’re just having a bit of bitch fit here.

 

[Croaker]

If you’ve read these you’d be able to articulate something that remotely resembles specific arguments they made on the topic but instead you’re just having a bit of bitch fit here.

Or, you could just read the source material because I'm not responsible for your own ignorance.

 

[shockaholic12]

Or, you could just read the source material because I'm not responsible for your own ignorance.

Lmao you brought these works up to make a point not me and now after all that screeching about others needing to read up on philosophy and calling others morons, you can’t articulate single argument from thousands of years of works you’ve hand waved at.

What are you? A moron?

 

[Croaker]

Lmao you brought these works up to make a point not me and now after all that screeching about others needing to read up on philosophy and calling others morons, you can’t articulate single argument from thousands of years of works you’ve hand waved at.

What are you? A moron?

I don't need to, why are you so insistent on me giving you the material after calling you out then explaining it to you? You spend time daily on this content. You should be able to read it, its free, on the internet. Did you know the entire point of teaching philosophy wasn't to indoctrinate others but to pull out what is with in the individual? It's to show them ideas and have them work through it and discuss it. You obviously haven't done any leg work, because the onus is not on me. I led you to the water, now fucking drink you dumb animal.

 

[shockaholic12]

I don't need to, why are you so insistent on me giving you the material after calling you out then explaining it to you? You spend time daily on this content. You should be able to read it, its free, on the internet. Did you know the entire point of teaching philosophy wasn't to indoctrinate others but to pull out what is with in the individual? It's to show them ideas and have them work through it and discuss it. You obviously haven't done any leg work, because the onus is not on me. I led you to the water, now fucking drink you dumb animal.

You didn’t explain it to me. That’s the point dummy.

I pointed out the logical error in a belief system snd responded “philosophy answered that!”.

Then I asked you to give what these specific arguments are and you choked and started throwing bitch fit because you couldn’t make a point but were emotional.

If you have have drunk this water why can’t you tell us what the points it makes are? Are you a moron with no reading comprehension?

 

[Croaker]

You didn’t explain it to me. That’s the point dummy.

I pointed out the logical error in a belief system snd responded “philosophy answered that!”.

Then I asked you to give what these specific arguments are and you choked and started throwing bitch fit because you couldn’t make a point but were emotional.

If you have have drunk this water why can’t you tell us what the points it makes are? Are you a moron with no reading comprehension?

tl;dr

 

[shockaholic12]

tl;dr

was your approach to the philosophy you pretended to know

 

[Croaker]

was your approach to the philosophy you pretended to know

tl;dr