Crime Michigan LDS Church Shooting: Multiple Victims, Fire Reported

[nhbbear]

Amend the Constitution with a subsection (a) to include a number of guns one person can own?

With another few subsections describing reasons allowing ownership of more guns needed.

That would be a violation of the second amendment. It says the right to bear arms not arm. Then when you start nitpicking at “well, what reason do you need an AR-15” and if you can’t provide a reason, you don’t get one-that violates the second amendment as well. The scotus has ruled that guns commonly in circulation fall under the second amendment, which includes so called assault rifles.

 

[nhbbear]

the "400 million gun problem" frankly isn't important. if legislation and buybacks got it to 300 million, it would still have a profound impact on gun crime.

Nope. If there was a gun buyback in my area, I would sell most of my father’s guns just to get rid of them. And it would do nothing for the crime rate. I have no need of an sks nor do I particularly want it-my brothers couldn’t take them because of where they live (New York) where you can’t carry guns and there are strict anti-second laws that until recently, prevented all but a few select people with money to be able to carry a firearm. Hell, they had to keep guns in trunk and magazine unloaded in front or some shit like that. That is a direct violation of the second amendment imo

 

[ermac88]

What the fuck is happening to our country?

Why do people keep freaking out and just committing random acts of violence that make zero sense?

We have A LOT of stupid, unstable, dumb and just BAD people

and equally as many guns with little regulation.

 

[Fedor>Cain]

Of course Jesus was Satan's Brother!! Arent all the Angels children of God? What are they if not siblings? Lol

Dude they DO believe that only through Christ can God be reached and understood. That's the barest definition of Christianity. They don't think Jesus was merely a Prohet.

I get it, they're undesirable Christians. But Christians all the same.

Technically speaking, I think most would agree with you.

Like Cajun, I definitely grew up around a decent amount of Mormons and some Jehovah's witnesses. Even though they are technically Christian, almost every Christian I've ever been around wanted nothing to do with them. Lock the doors, turn off the lights, and hide when they come knocking lol. And like he said, in my area Christians viewed them more like a cult than a real religion and I would say they were very bigoted towards Mormons and Jehovah's witnesses in general. They look at those people like they have 3 eyes, where as if they were Catholic or Pentecostal, they'd be like you get weird with it, but idc

The vast majority of my area churches were Southern Baptist or Methodist churches. They did not get down with Mormons to say the least lol.

 

[Sinister]

Technically speaking, I think most would agree with you.

Like Cajun, I definitely grew up around a decent amount of Mormons and some Jehovah's witnesses. Even though they are technically Christian, almost every Christian I've ever been around wanted nothing to do with them. Lock the doors, turn off the lights, and hide when they come knocking lol. And like he said, in my area Christians viewed them more like a cult than a real religion and I would say they were very bigoted towards Mormons and Jehovah's witnesses in general. They look at those people like they have 3 eyes, where as if they were Catholic or Pentecostal, they'd be like you get weird with it, but idc

The vast majority of my area churches were Southern Baptist or Methodist churches. They did not get down with Mormons to say the least lol.

I live in Vegas, this town was built by a collaboration of Mormons and the f*ckin Mob. Which people like to act as if its unusual, except when you take a good hard look at both Catholics and Protestants and their ties to organized crime in a multitude of places, even different Countries.

My Grandmother on my Father's side converted to Mormonism in the yesrs before she died, and she was black. Like midnight black. Mormons allow black people to become Mormons...kind of lol.

IMO the other Christians view on Mormons and Jehova Witnesses as cultists (which I would agree) draws more attention to their own cultiness in a negative light. Otherwise they can kind of p'shaw their own culty vibes because they're not quite as brash about the aspects that make them feel that way as the others are.

 

[IanEdwards]

It always kills me how Protestants, the ones who literally changed the Bible to suit their needs, felt like they could turn around and call Catholics, who Paul literally founded Christ’s church upon, heretics. SMDH

any more bizarre than the Catholics inventing purgatory?

or, for that matter, any more bizarre that saying this complex web of creation and evolution that has got us to this point, when 99% of creatures who ever lived on the earth are extinct, was all the design of some divine watchmaker?

 

[curryjunkie]

Technically speaking, I think most would agree with you.

Like Cajun, I definitely grew up around a decent amount of Mormons and some Jehovah's witnesses. Even though they are technically Christian, almost every Christian I've ever been around wanted nothing to do with them. Lock the doors, turn off the lights, and hide when they come knocking lol. And like he said, in my area Christians viewed them more like a cult than a real religion and I would say they were very bigoted towards Mormons and Jehovah's witnesses in general. They look at those people like they have 3 eyes, where as if they were Catholic or Pentecostal, they'd be like you get weird with it, but idc

The vast majority of my area churches were Southern Baptist or Methodist churches. They did not get down with Mormons to say the least lol.

I used to live in northern Ireland , one day a couple of Mormons called to the door, I was a bit irritated so when I realized who they were I said " don't you think this place has enough problems with religion without throwing another one into the mix? " They looked a bit sheepish , can't remember their exact reply, I must admit, you are really committed to try and branch out in an area where Catholics and Protestants have been busy killing each other for decades.

 

[BFoe]

Ok then Matthew 28 where Jesus tells his disciples to baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

The baptism of Christ has all 3 present with God saying This is my Beloved Son in whom im well pleased and then the Holy Spirit ascended down as a dove.

I won’t belabor this point because I think it’s more important to focus on the tragic shooting than this theological issue, and I also understand this is a matter of faith for you.

But no, neither of those passages prove the concept of the Trinity either. Sure, there are places where Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are mentioned, but the text says nothing about their relationship to one another. If you say for example, “All 3 are present in Jesus’s baptism, therefore that means ____,” then *you* are inserting meaning into the text that isn’t in the text itself.

Many issues were in flux for centuries after the crucifixion, e.g. whether Jesus was human, divine, or both. If one says that belief in the Trinity is necessary to be a Christian, then you just excluded people like James the brother of Jesus, who was head of the Jerusalem church and martyred likely before a single gospel was ever written, or Paul, who wrote the earliest Christian documents preserved in the NT and says nothing about the Trinity.

It always kills me how Protestants, the ones who literally changed the Bible to suit their needs, felt like they could turn around and call Catholics, who Paul literally founded Christ’s church upon, heretics. SMDH

You mean Peter founded? Paul did not found the Catholic Church (it’s debatable whether Peter did either but that’s another story).

 

[Cajun]

I was raised a protestant christian (Presbyterian), my father is a Pastor. I've studied a lot back in my day, too much that I've became skeptical and don't care much about religion.. to each their own.

It's funny that even though Presbyterians are protestants with certain rules, there was a lot of regionalism in the churches. In some city they would look more like Pentecostal evangelicals, in other as a very traditional sole scriptura protestants. Point being that as someone said here leadership influences a lot.

On our church we would consider Catholics (the cult to idols/saints), Mormons (extra books), Jehovah's Witnesses (watch tower literature) and even 7th day Adventists (the cult to sabbath) hereticals and not "true Christians", to commune they would have to be baptized again. But like I said, regionalism would would influence a lot. In some Presbyterian churches the Holy Communion would have wine, in others it would be juice and they would consider someone who drinks wine to be in sin (it's stupid, I know)

There are some fundamentalist evangelicals here in brazil that mix religion with crime and get very aggressive towards other religions, like invading/burning their place of worship (of african religions) or breaking/burning catholic statues of saints/mary.

The irish killing themselves up to 30 years ago, I don't know how much was religion or if it was only politics.

Also not true....except Brazil stuff. Dont know that

 

[shockaholic12]

This type of thinking is so lazy and dumb it’s hard to grasp if people actually have this thought as a legitimate thought.

If no bad things existed, we wouldn’t understand what is GOOD and what is BAD. There would be no point at all to live if this were the case. It isn’t rocket science and shouldn’t be a hard concept to understand.

They could also just... Open up any religious content and it tells them. They obviously aren't intelligent enough to justify their atheism.

If god exists and designed both us and everything we encounter then their would be no free will for us to choose good or bad and thus those traits wouldn’t really exist and you’d still be missing your “point of living”.

Asking what the point of living is makes as much sense as asking what color hope is. You’re attributing traits where they don’t exists.

 

[Cajun]

I won’t belabor this point because I think it’s more important to focus on the tragic shooting than this theological issue, and I also understand this is a matter of faith for you.

But no, neither of those passages prove the concept of the Trinity either. Sure, there are places where Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are mentioned, but the text says nothing about their relationship to one another. If you say for example, “All 3 are present in Jesus’s baptism, therefore that means ____,” then *you* are inserting meaning into the text that isn’t in the text itself.

Many issues were in flux for centuries after the crucifixion, e.g. whether Jesus was human, divine, or both. If one says that belief in the Trinity is necessary to be a Christian, then you just excluded people like James the brother of Jesus, who was head of the Jerusalem church and martyred likely before a single gospel was ever written, or Paul, who wrote the earliest Christian documents preserved in the NT and says nothing about the Trinity.


You mean Peter founded? Paul did not found the Catholic Church (it’s debatable whether Peter did either but that’s another story).

Also not true.

 

[Cajun]

It always kills me how Protestants, the ones who literally changed the Bible to suit their needs, felt like they could turn around and call Catholics, who Paul literally founded Christ’s church upon, heretics. SMDH

Well? Weigh in you puss

 

[shockaholic12]

Yeah but if we enacted gun control at a federal level, we’d have a constitutional crisis. So the only options here are to overthrow the government and rewrite the constitution or move to a country with strict gun control.

Not really. There was massive amounts of gun regulations following the constitution for a very long time. Regulations that touched on every aspect of ownership and use in all different states.


None of them were declared non constitutional because it says “well regulated” off the rip. Civilian gun owners make up this general militia of folks who want the right to defend themselves/others as opposed to relying on government agencies to do it and it says right there they can be not just regulated but well regulated.

the notion the “well-regulated militia” part didn’t extend to citizen ownership is fairly new, historically.

But no new constitution is needed. They can just interpret it as it originally was

 

[TheMoa]

Also not true....except Brazil stuff. Dont know that

what's not true?
I'm saying how shit goes here, not what's right or wrong.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Well? Weigh in you puss

A. Mormons are not Christian
B. Evangelicals are a blight on America

 

[Cajun]

It always kills me how Protestants, the ones who literally changed the Bible to suit their needs, felt like they could turn around and call Catholics, who Paul literally founded Christ’s church upon, heretics. SMDH

Sorry I meant to quote Crazy source bud.

 

[Cajun]

A. Mormons are not Christian
B. Evangelicals are a blight on America

Yeah sorry I quoted the wrong person. Except protestants arent a blight... and Catholics are indeed christians haha

 

[Rob Battisti]

Yeah sorry I quoted the wrong person. Except protestants arent a blight... and Catholics are indeed christians haha

Not all Protestants are a blight — evangelicals though…

 

[Cajun]

Not all Protestants are a blight — evangelicals though…

Still disagree but we're cool bud

 

[BFoe]

Also not true.

What is the point of posts like that? If you think what I’m saying isn’t true, then make your case.
If you can’t make a case, why waste my time?